Im a bit confused on the whole gender recognition cert thing and changin birth cert.

Do you have to have a GRC in order to change your birth cert? If so how do you get one? What is the criterea?

Any info greatly appreciated.

I changed my name legally in oct 05'
I started T in nov 05'

I read something about having to have done a 2 yr RLT. So does that mean at the end of this year my 2 yrs RLT is up?

yes you do need a GRC to obtain the BC

although this is handled internally

in other words the Gender Recognition Panel will review your documents and upon granting your the GRC which they will send they then contact the Registrar for Births and Deaths inc Inland Revenue on your behalf

the only way to get a GRC is with the support of your gender specialist at your Gender Identity Clinic

They have to fill in a Medical report - you can print this out from the GRP website and also all the forms necessary

however until you complete the RLT it is unlikely they will fill this out and even then with caution

before you do anything ask if they would be prepared to fill out your medical report if they say yes printi it all out and apply x

this is what it looks like
http://www.transgenderzone.com/library/legal/12.htm
http://www.grp.gov.uk/

hoep this helps xxx

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PS if you are married you have to dissolve the marriage before hand - you can get a civil union afterwards if need be ;) :)P

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hiya mike
im waitin gfor the med report from my doc, to send to gr panel so i can obtain new gen cer and a new bc!!! i was told that you need to be on T for x time and have had or have a date for the first (if not more ) surgery have a second opion to apply for grc therfore apply for new birth cer!!!!!
hope this helps

Thanks both of you. That helps alot. So basically I dont even need to think about all that until the end of the year. Suits me, the thought of paperwork cracks me up

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PS if you are married you have to dissolve the marriage before hand - you can get a civil union afterwards if need be P

I havent met a woman lucky enough to be blessed with my surname yet

there is a women out there for all of us!!!!!
if im lucky enough.....then believe me we all are........

another question about the grc/new birth cert.

i know you can have your forename and sex changed (obviously, as that's the point) but can you have your surname changed to the one you changed to at the same time of changing your forename with deed poll, on the grounds that having the old surname on documentation may still rise questions and make you more likely to be disclosed?

this is the only information i found in the booklet about GRCs and i think it says you can have your new surname on your new birth cert but the wording is a bit confusing.

''On receipt of a full Gender Recognition Certificate the Registrar General will send you a draft of the information to be recorded in the Gender Recognition Register to clarify what the entry will look like and to resolve any queries before the registration goes ahead. The draft will contain all the details about date and place of birth and parentage that are included in your original birth record, together with your new name (or, if you prefer, your birth surname where this is different from the surname on your Gender Recognition Certificate) and acquired gender as notified by the Gender Recognition Panel.''

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Most will use the name they already have as that is a requirement to be included in your paperwork - i.e you include your deed poll (stat dec) with it

you can however change your name before you apply and get that witnessed once more

post GRC you can change your name again its a gender change not a name change

but try and remain focused

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Maybe looking at this site will help.

http://www.grp.gov.uk/

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I did and the most relevant thing i could find i quoted 2 posts back. The only problem is I couldn't understand the wording. I think it says you can though, I'm just checking cos I know changing surname is very common among the trans community.

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Can I have my new surname on my new birth certificate along with my new forename? or do they only change the forename on your birth certificate?

No i dont think so - the name that will be on your birth certificate you will be stuck with - but you can change you name as much as you like

an example would be when someone is knighted in the UK they are Knighted under the name on their BC not say Sir Elton John in reality he is Sir Reginald Dwight

But he uses the Name Elton so thats what everybody calls him

when you make your GRP application you have to make a second statutory declaration where a solicitor has to witness your stat dec within the actual GRP application form - it is at that point you better make sure you are happy with your name

as you promise to be this gender until death - it takes half the civil service it seems to get your name changed on your bc so dont screw it up cos you will be stuck with it LOL

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yes but the circumstances are very different with elton john as he can't get any of his names altered on his birth certificate.

''...(or, if you prefer, your birth surname where this is different from the surname on your Gender Recognition Certificate) and acquired gender as notified by the Gender Recognition Panel.''

i think you can have your full new name on your birth certificate, even though whoever wrote that above needs a kicking for being unclear.

it says that you can have your birth surname recorded on your new birth certificate if you prefer even if is it different to the one on your GRC, so this would imply that the main option is just to use your full aquired name on your new birth certificate. it's badly written, but that's what i gather from it. i'll email them to double check.

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I agree William, it does sound like that's what they're saying but it's not very clear.

jaketspudd wrote:

have had or have a date for the first (if not more ) surgery

I thought it wasn't necessary to have (or be planning) surgery?

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i found this...

The forename(s) that appear on your Gender Recognition Certificate will be recorded in the Gender Recognition Register

The forename(s) and surname recorded in the Gender Recognition Register will be the names shown on a new birth certificate. Upon gaining recognition in your new gender, the relevant General Register Office will contact you and explain the options for your birth certificate and the recording of surnames.

so, presumably, the name you ask to have on your GRC, as per section 2 of the application, will be the name on your new birth certificate.

also, as per surgery, i don't believe you need a date or anything, but my feeling is that they poke those applications where surgery isn't a going concern a little more closely. if it helps, i've just applied for mine and i've just had my surgery funding turned down! so. i'm kinda thinking that if i get my GRC before i get my op that'll rub their noses in it. yes. they will fear me.