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You know, the thing is, I really do see these HBS sites as little more than a way for people with transphobic and/or homophobic feelings to transition, whilst distancing themselves from the LGBT community.
The medical evidence I have no issues with, but using science in this way to justify a bigotted crusade is absolutly wrong

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im not homophobic im a LESBIAN!

Im not transphobic I think all trans people should be free to do what they want that doesnt mean the media cant report it, and that the differences between TS and other trans people should be celebrated more so the public can be further educated to see TS people as the woman and woman they are other elements of the trans community are that "trans" happy to have gender fluidity etc that is their common tie TS people are men or women in their own right by being held under the same category the public ignorantly persume we fit into the fluidity not male or female but Transmale and transfemale. Its a matter of education and being able to resperesnt your own individual group not trans or any other phobia.

So it's only gay men and genderqueers and corssdressers and trasnvestites and anybody who doesnt embrace the policitcal side to your HBS crusade you hate then?

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please dont get like that. I have alot of gay friends scaeme.

for the un teenth time Why does wanting to educate about TS people and be seen in our own light instead of under a category with lots of people with a varitey of different lifestyles non of which is a conidition like TS but all have their own problems and issues which need addressed make me hate them?

I have never once said if your trans and not TS I hate you or that TS people are better simply there are DIFFERENCES and more EDUCATION is needed which would be MUCH EASIER if TS people were in a category on their own. People would be free to support the rest of the TG community in their own seperate category but it would give a platform to be seen as the people we are and campaign for issues specific to us thats all thats not preaching hatred thats preaching education.

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Well last time i checked the law doesnt say TS people are men stella but hey im the lawyer not you so what does that matter.

may people i mean TS women and the same is for TS Men who are MEN

That makes a lot of sense too Stella.

Tarabeth, I think she's reffering to the GRC. I cant have mine until 2012 because of my GIC issues. Fun huh?

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Even as far as the law is concerned actualy without a GRC if you have a diognosis you will have a female passport national insurance details, benefits account, give a long list there legally you are viewed as female the GRC is a completion of this by issuing a new birth certificate which in todays world is less important than your passport.

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My diagnosis wont be until 2010

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For some people it is the delay in obtaining a diagnosis which prohibits documentation changes as a medical evidence that the change is permanent is required. Leeds GIC is particularly bad in this context regarding the length of waiting list merely to obtain a first appointment. The only way round this is a cooperative GP.

I have gone full-time, but won't get a passport for a month or so, when I expect to see the psych.

As to the debate about exclusivity. If only TS people were allowed, many local support groups would cease to be viable or have much influence.

ps I would have more respect for Tarabeth and her claims to be a lawyer if her spelling was not so atrocious. I would be very disappointed to encounter a legal document with such inaccurate spelling. M

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Use Firefox, it has many useful extras as well as a spell checker.

im dyslexic opossum and admit to having bad spelling!

I dont think events should be ts exclusive at all your missing the point dont get rid of TG etc simply have LGBT and for ease lets say HBS as well if we dont all agree on that term thats fine im using it for want of another term right now but simply so that it is easier to educate people on the differences if we are not all thrown under one category thats all ive ever really tried to say from the seperate group like i mentiioned lesbians support the G and gay mens rights issues etc and TS people could support the TG movement etc but equally would have our own platform to be seen for who we are and could campaign for the things which individualy concern us just as this would leave the other part of the TG community to concentrate on issues which concerened them too all in all both sides is recieving a benefit.

My interpretation of your post is that you want an special 'HBS' category exclusively for TS people. Why?

Many groups do exist. They are not so blinkered that they exclude the views of others. I am lucky so far in not encountering any prejudice, despite been full-time and not passing 100%. I believe that the people who would discriminate against TS people are usually equally biased against the whole LBGT issue. It is unlikely that education unique to one group would alleviate that prejudice against any of them.

In your original post launching this topic you state that you disagree with 'the idea of removing gender binaries', but surely it is commonly accepted that there is a spectrum of gender identity rather than a binary division into one or the other. It is merely society that pigeon-holes people into two groups whatever the reality.