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D&C



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Applying for jobs Reply with quote

I've been thinking about this for a while and there are a few things i've been wondering about.

First thing is some companies ask about medical conditions do i have to tell them about being TS? If i dont will is there likely to be any problems later on?

Second thing is most jobs I've looked at require at least 2 references. What can you do if your previous jobs dont know you've changed Gender. Is there anyway around this other than telling your new company your TS and ask them to request references in your old name?

Just with me moving If i cant get a transfer to another store im going to have to apply for a new job and this has been worrying me a little bit.

Jess
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I moved after starting living in role, and whenever I went for an interview I took along my Stat Dec and showed it to my prospective employers if they asked about references, I have to say most, even the small businesses were ok the odd one or two you walked in and you could see by their faces that an interview was a waste of time, or in one quite large company I had a string of people suddenly walking through a previously quiet area but apart from that most employers are only interested in your ability.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found that some companies once they realise what i am don't want to know they won't say that but it's obvious,
However most once they realise that i am as (or more ) capable than there staff they ain't that bothered,
References i just use ones that are friendly to me Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've been having this recently, my references section on my cv doesnt state the situation as i dont want to disclose untill i've had the interview coz then it easier to judge if they dont want me purely for the trans thing and if that is their problem i can claim discrimination.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess there's basically 2 choices when it comes to references - either out yourself at your new job to explain that they need to ask for a reference in your former name, or contact your previous employer and explain the situation, asking them to write the reference using the correct name and pronouns. In some ways this might be the easier option, as you don't have to see these people on a regular basis - especially if it's a large company with a specific HR department that deals with things like references.

As far as mentioning being trans on a medical questionnaire, I'm not sure, this is something I've wondered about myself. On one hand, there's no real need to mention it - I doubt that a post-menopause woman on HRT would feel the need to put it on their medical form. On the other hand, if I might need time off for appointments or operations, it might be advisable to mention it in advance. Obviously, a company can't refuse to employ you because you're trans, though some might try and find a reason to knock you back if you do declare it. It's a really tricky one!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I do not think you should state that you have gender dysphoria anywhere on any application, as it is a medical condition that can be misinterpreted. There are not many jobs that can discount you because of your medical status so just leave it blank, as it has no affect on your professionalism.

As for references I would write a formal letter to your former employers and request that they respond to any enquires regarding your time with them via a letter or email, just to ensure there is no slip up on the pronouns (it might be a good idea to include that in your letter to your references). I do not think this is to much to ask and I understand that it is standard procedure at larger companies.

So, basically, I agree with Dave!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flameboy wrote:
Obviously, a company can't refuse to employ you because you're trans...

"...on this occasion your application was unsuccessful..."

...and they don't give a reason in order to avoid litigation.

SignalFailure wrote:
There are not many jobs that can discount you because of your medical status so just leave it blank, as it has no affect on your professionalism.

Depression, anxiety and mood swings are common co-morbid conditions with gender dysphoria. I wouldn't employ anyone in such a state, nor did anyone employ me when I was so afflicted.

Suggest you get a job in HR and let everyone here know. You'll make yourself popular.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depression, anxiety and mood swings are also commonly co-morbid with unemployment.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reenie wrote:


SignalFailure wrote:
There are not many jobs that can discount you because of your medical status so just leave it blank, as it has no affect on your professionalism.

Depression, anxiety and mood swings are common co-morbid conditions with gender dysphoria. I wouldn't employ anyone in such a state



Gender Dysphoria, much like any other affliction, should not prevent anyone from achieving their goals. Yes, it may be more problematic – as are many things in life – but that is something that you can deal with in your personal life and it should have no (or very little) affect on your professionalism.

If the above were true then anyone who has been the subject of bullying or social rejection would be denied jobs. This is not the case and neither should it be for you Jess, if you are able to fulfil the requirements of the position available then you have the same rights as anyone else to be offered the job.

Good Luck with the job hunting!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reenie wrote:
Flameboy wrote:
Obviously, a company can't refuse to employ you because you're trans...

"...on this occasion your application was unsuccessful..."

...and they don't give a reason in order to avoid litigation.

Hence why I wrote:
Flameboy wrote:
though some might try and find a reason to knock you back if you do declare it.

However, when I've had medical questionnaires for jobs, they tend to be AFTER you've been offered the job, in order to check on a number of things - not least so that you can't try and claim compensation for a pre-existing condition (e.g. RSI).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SignalFailure wrote:
Gender Dysphoria, much like any other affliction, should not prevent anyone from achieving their goals. Yes, it may be more problematic – as are many things in life – but that is something that you can deal with in your personal life and it should have no (or very little) affect on your professionalism.

If the above were true then anyone who has been the subject of bullying or social rejection would be denied jobs. This is not the case and neither should it be for you Jess, if you are able to fulfil the requirements of the position available then you have the same rights as anyone else to be offered the job.

When they finally let you out of the asylum/university/other_nonspecific_quarantine, you will find that such idyllic concepts do not exist in the real world. Try running a business and you'll see what I mean.

I've been party to the vetting of candidates for employment and we'd reject anyone who remotely looked like carrying "baggage". There's no room for passengers in a small or medium-sized business.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies much appreciated.

Thats a good point about it being easyier in the long run to tell my previous employers. Like it was mentioned im going to deal with them a lot less than my next one. The only thing im worried about would be them not listeningto my request, which from dealings with my current personal dept is likely lol.

I was just a little concerned with mentioning GID on forms and stuff in case they give me problems with appointments and future surgerys.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've applied for over 550 jobs in transition, I've not got one job in a company based environment, as soon as I attend its oh oh, what have we got here look in their eyes.

I mean according to the 1999 sex discrimination act amendment in the areas of employment and training, transsexuals are protected from discrimination (in theory).

However the reality is far different in my experience when going full time, then looking for a job. I've applied for jobs at supermarkets, clothing shops, admin for police, local NHS, PCT, local councils, local housing companies, local bus companies, I mean I've tried everything its just a no no.

If I had FFS, rhinoplasty and trachea shave, then moved away from the North East, I would probably be able to get work no problem.

The best way is to to do it is to get a permanent job first prior to transitioning, or at least prior to going full time, then transition in the job, as then you have maximum protection in employment law.
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