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Paula33



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Beginning transition and looking for direction Reply with quote

Hi, I am just starting with my transition and have been dressing as a woman full-time for about two weeks now at home and at work (gradually phased in) and am in the process of having laser hair removal on my face.

My dressing has been what you would call subtle but just because I worry that I am just going to look like a man dressed as a woman and that cripples my self esteem. I am growing and styling my hair as a woman, and wearing womens jeans, trousers, tops and shoes but not wearing skirts or dresses. I don't feel that I can really go for it until look a bit more physically feminine. I feel that there are certain things that need to be in place before I can take a substantial jump.

I think that hormone treatment would give me what I need to take the next step, softer skin and some subtle changes to my figure and possibly others?, so I went to see my GP about getting hormone treatment. She offered me no help whatsoever and even seemed to be deliberately unhelpful. She wouldn't even give me a referral and just told me to do my own research, so I have no idea now what to do from here.

Luckily I moved this weekend into a completely new area and have to sign up with a new GP. I feel somewhat trapped because I do not feel that I can move forward with out the hormone step but would like some advice on how to go about getting it and how to successfully communicate this to my doctor.

Any advice gratefully received.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure you are wearing women's clothes when you go to the doctor's, or you may not be taken as seriously as you might hope.

A skirt is worth a thousand words where making a case for gender dysphoria is concerned. This is not to say that you must wear a skirt, or that you have to wear one, as the old Charing Cross myth had it, but it can only help.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your GP is being unhelpful you could always try another? Are there several docs at the practice?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First thing is first: you own your transition, not anybody else.



In that way, feel free to disregard anything and everything I say, because you're the one calling the shots, we can only offer advice.

You say you are going full-time already, and yet have a difficulty passing. You need to ask yourself if this realy is a good idea. I've been in the position of a visible trans-person, and it's not the most fun I've ever had. 'Man in a dress' springs to mind. There's no rule to say that you have to go through hell in order to transition, so you might want to hold up until you pass either better or fully.

That said, it sounds like you're on the right track. Hair removal is important, and laser is probably the best to start out with. But, if you still have significant amounts of hair, it's going to make passing really really hard. Keep going with that, but don't forget that it takes time. I started hair removal two years ago, and still have some months left to go.

Hormones are so unbelievably important. Personally, I would start as soon as possible, and give them time to work. Without them, you're going to find it difficult to pass. I wouldn't necessarily bother going to your GP for them, as everything takes such a long time, and you sound like you're ready now. There are therapists out there who you can see privately, and who will prescribe you hormones after a couple of consultations. Alternatively, you can always buy them over the internet, it's actually quite safe, despite what some people make out.

Try to understand where you want to be, where you want to end up, and make it happen for yourself. Doctors and counsellors and surgeons are great resources, but they shouldn't stand in your way. Any GP who refuses to help or obstructs you is not worth the bother. Don't get medicalised, and don't get waylaid.

I hope you have a great transition.

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PS You're not dressing as a woman, you're dressing as you!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Beginning transition and looking for direction Reply with quote

Hi Smile Paula and welcome to tzone.

Paula33 wrote:
Hi, I am just starting with my transition and have been dressing as a woman full-time for about two weeks now at home and at work (gradually phased in) and am in the process of having laser hair removal on my face.
Firstly that is great news that you have been able to start dressing as female, this should certainly help build your confidence and self esteem. Have you approached your workplace about working as female there or are you just wearing womens clothes to work?

Paula33 wrote:
I went to see my GP about getting hormone treatment. She offered me no help whatsoever and even seemed to be deliberately unhelpful. She wouldn't even give me a referral and just told me to do my own research, so I have no idea now what to do from here.
Well I am surprised that your GP didn't take you seriously especially if you are wearing womens clothes fulltime already. I think that it is quite common for GPs to be unsure what to do.

When I first came out to my GP I booked the appointment and then wrote a letter to the GP(not too long) explaining my feelings about needing to transition and put in there a link to the NHS Direct about gender dysphoria. Doing this proved to my GP I had done some research myself and also gave the GP some time before my appointment to do some research themselves so they'd know what to do.

I wrote the letter and addressed it to the GP I was seeing and handed in person to the receptionist a week or so before my appointment and asked them to make sure the GP gets this letter. That way I knew it couldn't get lost in the post and the GP would read it and I wouldn't have to use up valuable appointment time explaining to the GP why I was there. When I arrived at my appointment my GP had read the letter and consulted with some collegues and done some research on gender dysphoria and was only too happy to refer me on to a local psychiatrist.

The usual route for getting treatment on the NHS is to see your GP first and then they will hopefully refer you to see a local psychiatrist who is not usually specialised in gender dysphoria but they will assess you and then hopefully refer you on to see a psychiatrist who specialises in gender dysphoria at a Gender Identity Clinic (GIC). Hormones can be prescribed usually after a seeing a second specialist psychiatrist after a second appointment at a GIC. There are lengthy waiting times inbetween psychiatrists appointments and it can take a while to get to the stage where you are prescribed hormones on the NHS.

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=435
^ NHS Direct ~ Gender Dysphoria

Alternatively you can go for private treatment. I believe a lot of people see Dr. Curtis who is a specialist in gender dysphoria.

http://www.transhealth.co.uk/
^ I quick search came up with this site which might be interesting.

I have gone down the NHS route myself so I don't know a great deal about private treatment. To see Dr. Curtis you don't need to see your GP you just need to make an appointment. Obviously though with private care you will have to pay for appointments. I'm not sure on his going rate though at the moment.

Many of the people on tzone see Dr. Curtis and will be able to tell you more about getting private treatment.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Beginning transition and looking for direction Reply with quote

PurplePrincess wrote:
Alternatively you can go for private treatment. I believe a lot of people see Dr. Curtis who is a specialist in gender dysphoria.

http://www.transhealth.co.uk/
^ I quick search came up with this site which might be interesting.

I have gone down the NHS route myself so I don't know a great deal about private treatment. To see Dr. Curtis you don't need to see your GP you just need to make an appointment. Obviously though with private care you will have to pay for appointments. I'm not sure on his going rate though at the moment.

Many of the people on tzone see Dr. Curtis and will be able to tell you more about getting private treatment.

I haven't seen Dr Curtis, but I know that his rates are £200 for the first appointment, which is an hour long, and the £100 for follow-up appointments (30 minutes long).

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stella Maru wrote:
Make sure you are wearing women's clothes when you go to the doctor's, or you may not be taken as seriously as you might hope.

A skirt is worth a thousand words where making a case for gender dysphoria is concerned. This is not to say that you must wear a skirt, or that you have to wear one, as the old Charing Cross myth had it, but it can only help.


I know that you're right, and that it might actually help, but ain't it wrong? I mean, what does that say about doctor's views on women, nevermind transwomen, that wearing a skirt is going to help make your case?

By the way, I attended all my initial appointments dressed as a boy, I never thought to do otherwise.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emma Ephemera wrote:
Stella Maru wrote:
Make sure you are wearing women's clothes when you go to the doctor's, or you may not be taken as seriously as you might hope.

A skirt is worth a thousand words where making a case for gender dysphoria is concerned. This is not to say that you must wear a skirt, or that you have to wear one, as the old Charing Cross myth had it, but it can only help.


I know that you're right, and that it might actually help, but ain't it wrong? I mean, what does that say about doctor's views on women, nevermind transwomen, that wearing a skirt is going to help make your case?

By the way, I attended all my initial appointments dressed as a boy, I never thought to do otherwise.
It's true that you shouldn't have to dress as female to help make your case but I always did to all of my appointments. I thought to myself it can only help and not hurt and why leave anything to chance when there is a chance that they might not take you as seriously. Although they shouldn't be judging you on your appearance I believe that subconsciously it can leave a mark on peoples minds and may help sway things in your favour. As you say you are dressing as female full-time now anyway so just come as you are.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I walked away from my first psychiatrist's appointment with a diagnosis that "met ICD-10 criteria for transsexualism". I'd gone in boy mode.

My most recent visit, this time, to the Sandyford gender clinic in Glasgow, saw me dressed in mostly gender neutral clothing, only my shoes being the give-away.

I was motivated by the courage of my convictions in both cases.

Hormones are not to be taken lightly. I'd obtained my first over the internet and with no guarantee that they were genuine (they may have been rat poison for all I knew) I looked at the first one long and hard, thinking to myself "this might kill me", before washing it down with a glass of water.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I attended all my sessions with my GP, my counsellor and my doctor at the Sandyford in boy mode and wasn't taken any less seriously for it. My advice is to go in whatever feels comfortable for you. There's nothing worse than having to discuss what is already a very uncomfortable subject with a complete stranger when you yourself do not feel comfortable in how you're coming across.

In the end go with what you feel is best, if the GP is any good they'll be treating you based on how you feel and not treating you based on your appearence Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all, thanks to everyone for their advice. It's a difficult place to be in, held back by administration when all I want to do is get on with my life the way I want to.

However, I think that I will register with the new practice and find out who my doctor will be. I will also give the new doctor a letter in advance explaining my situation, so that they are prepared for my visit.

If I still do not get any joy at the new practice, I will consider Dr Curtis.

One more thing, although I have been dressing as a woman at work and I have spoken to my direct supervisor who has been very understanding. I haven't actually officially asked to be regarded as a woman, I still have my old male name (Paul). I've been thinking long and hard about it, and I don't know whether or not I should change my name before or after hormone treatment.It's a bit chicken egg, I don't know if I would feel comfortable with it yet, but at the same time I cannot know without actually doing it, if it is essential for progression.

Would anyone mind just telling me what their experience of this was. I feel that the name change would help in acknowledging and re-enforcing my change and my femininity but at the same time I don't want to be the subject of ridicule if I am doing it early. I am convinced of my own choice but the battle is getting others around me to accept it too and to look past the exterior.

I would like to add, that I have been told by quite a few people that I have a good foundation physically for my change, and whilst I do get people looking and sometimes staring, I haven't actually suffered a great deal of pointing and laughing (I hope that's not tempting fate!), so I must be doing something right, right? If anyone wants to take a look, I have a profile on Urnotalone.com where I am registered as GemJo (at time where I wasn't at all sure what to do with my name)

Thanks again to all those who have contributed with advice.

Paula
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paula33 wrote:
I don't know whether or not I should change my name before or after hormone treatment.


Most, but not all, NHS gender identity clinics will not prescribe hormones before you have changed your legal name.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stella Maru wrote:
Paula33 wrote:
I don't know whether or not I should change my name before or after hormone treatment.


Most, but not all, NHS gender identity clinics will not prescribe hormones before you have changed your legal name.


Would that apply even if your given name happens to be androgynous anyway? I do plan on changing my name sooner or later anyway, but I am lucky in having an androgynous name.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Herb wrote:
Stella Maru wrote:
Paula33 wrote:
I don't know whether or not I should change my name before or after hormone treatment.


Most, but not all, NHS gender identity clinics will not prescribe hormones before you have changed your legal name.


Would that apply even if your given name happens to be androgynous anyway? I do plan on changing my name sooner or later anyway, but I am lucky in having an androgynous name.


I think that the essence of this prescribing rule is that the person must have made a total commitment to life in their acquired gender before any irreversible treatment can begin.

In my day at Charing Cross, they wanted to see checkable documentary proof that you had changed your name on all your documents, and were working or studying as a full-time student in your acquired name and gender. Things may be a little more liberal than that nowadays at Charing Cross. The Sandyford clinic in Scotland is said to have a much more relaxed attitude.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paula33 wrote:
Would anyone mind just telling me what their experience of this was. I feel that the name change would help in acknowledging and re-enforcing my change and my femininity but at the same time I don't want to be the subject of ridicule if I am doing it early.

I took roughly two years to choose my name, bouncing ideas off my then partner who laughed most of them off. In the end I chose my name to keep things in the family. Irene Elizabeth, one name from either side of the family.

I chose carefully and since adopting the name, I've had no regrets or doubts. I changed my name four months after starting self-medicating with hormones.

You have an understanding supervisor at work, you dress as you see fit and folk don't give you a hard time over it. These are as favourable circumstances as I have heard of.

To my mind, it sounds like a sound launch-pad for a transition.

Paula33 wrote:
I am convinced of my own choice but the battle is getting others around me to accept it too and to look past the exterior.

This is very familiar to me too. You will have all sorts of reactions and you will suddenly have insight into human nature thrown at you like a bucket of ice cold water. Some will be refreshingly open minded and accept your fresh identity as a matter of course. At the other end you will have the simpletons who have been programmed to see the world in a certain way and once they get past a certain age, their views will become inflexible.

There's everything inbetween: I've had the wife of an electrician I used to work with, cross the road in the middle of a busy village to ask how my transition was progressing. She wished me well as I boarded the bus. One of these is worth a million automatons. There will be others who sidle up to you in the pub and whisper in your ear their admiration for your courage.

Of course there will be the piss-takers, those who see you as a joke. Whatever they do says more about themselves than it does about you.

After several warnings from various people, one of these idiots was forced to confront me face to face with my ex-missus, landlady of the pub and a childhood sisterly friend suddenly surrounding him. I delivered a short speech that turned him white as a sheet. He made a timely exit: a cousin came in shortly afterwards and having learnt of the proceedings let it be known quietly that he was prepared to administer dark-alley diplomacy if my tormentor repeated his sins.

Sounds like you have allies and if you've chosen well, these and your positive outlook should serve you well.

Good luck and stick around; the road ahead is not always smoothly surfaced...

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