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BRITAIN'S NEXT TOP TRANNY
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kazimirbielecki



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: BRITAIN'S NEXT TOP TRANNY Reply with quote

First of all I’d like to apologise to anyone who is offended by the use of the word Tranny. I feel that if this word is used in a positive context it will loose and negative connotations.

Britain Next Top Tranny is a program I and a few other media associates are developing to find the next representative for the transgendered community. We will be looking for, from hundreds of contestants, a person who is able to represent, at a celebrity level, the transgendered community.

This will be a program that will run along a similar format to Tyra Bank's 'Next Top Model' series. 12 (or so) contestants being tested on a number of tasks, one being voted off each week until the winner is found.

The program is proposed to be shown on primetime television on a major channel. This will potentially secure it 10s of thousands of viewers.

I basically want to know what the transgendered community think of this concept. The ethical notions it draws? How you think the non-transgendered public would receive it? And whether or not you think people within the transgendered community would like to compete in such a competition?


Many thanks for reading and look forward to your response.

Kazimir Bielecki
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first response is that the word tranny is to most TS/TG people what the word n*gger is to black people. Not all of us feel the same way and I appreciate you are looking to make a catchy title but please consider that you wouldn't make a program called 'Britains Top N*gger' and expect to just be able to say "But I meant n*gger in a nice way".
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Secondly you make no mention of the fact you are only looking for female to male transsexual people, or are you in fact clueless about trans issues?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There will probably be a deluge of responses to this and mine is not intended to be representative of the viewpoint of the entire 'group'. I appreciate that you are trying to increase visibility of transgendered people, but this seems a cynical and frankly bizarre way to do so. First of all, the use of the term 'tranny' is unlikely to be read positively by many transgendered people. Secondly, (in my opinion) these reality shows are the lowest common denominator of entertainment and I sincerely doubt that any self-respecting person (transgenderism aside) would wish to parade themselves in such a way. Whilst some people may be proud to adopt epithets such as 'tranny' and / or to publicly promote themselves as being transgender, I for one would be rather anxious about the motivations of television producers to profit from displaying those people in this rather cynical way. To be a model or singer, as featured on other reality shows, is to obtain a profession; someone's gender is integral to their being and should not be paraded as part of a competition to be the 'best' 'tranny'. It would be akin to creating a television show searching for 'Britain's Top Black' or 'Britain's Top Asian'. Perhaps other people will respond more positively, but I don't see that this can be a good thing for anyone concerned.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An odious example of tabloid television with which no person of good faith and conscience would ever allow themselves to be associated.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stella Maru wrote:
An odious example of tabloid television with which no person of good faith and conscience would ever allow themselves to be associated.

Well said, Stella, I couldn't agree more.

I was going to post more about the premise of the programme, but to be honest I really can't be bothered to waste my time replying further to something like this.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

outrageous use of the word

shame on you and your associates

if you want to do good with a word then use transgender at least 'Transgender Catwalk' or 'Britains TOP Transmodel'

do this properly - dont not end up in ofcom complaints

what about Project Catwalk - I am sure you could think of something offensive for that too if you tried hard enough

calling someone an offensive name does not make it harmless it makes a person a BULLY

reclaiming labels only works if the community in question reclaim them and its not a word we encourage around here

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our information is that Bielecki is a third-year undergraduate at the University of Lincoln, which seems at variance with the account he gives of himself and his 'media associates' here. This vile affair is therefore his final year project, so we can at least complain to the University administration about his anti-social behaviour.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The program is proposed to be shown on primetime television on a major channel. This will potentially secure it 10s of thousands of viewers.

Primetime viewing ..... 10s of thousands of viewers LOL Rolling Eyes
I think that a major channel would be looking for more of an attraction than that ....... what about putting some DIY and cookery into the mix and then Jerry Springer could appear and add some real class to the proceedings.
WTF!!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who wish to complain about Bielecki's activities, and the false account he gives of himself in pursuit of his student project, the Head of Department in which he is an undergraduate may be reached here:

David Sleight (Head of Media Production)
dsleight@lincoln.ac.uk
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stella Maru wrote:
An odious example of tabloid television with which no person of good faith and conscience would ever allow themselves to be associated.


I am with you Stella on this one! Very well said!

kazimirbielecki wrote:

This will be a program that will run along a similar format to Tyra Bank's 'Next Top Model' series. 12 (or so) contestants being tested on a number of tasks, one being voted off each week until the winner is found.


I ask a simple question: why? Why not Britain's next top Packy or Britain's next top Retard or Britain's next top Faggot? I am very curious, how would this help trans people integrate better into society and make non-trans people see that we are just as intelligent, capable and talented as the non-trans people community? How would this help us? Personally, and I am sure alot of people agree, the use of the words, nigger, faggot, packy and tranny are all extremely biggoted and are in very bad taste to say the least!

kazimirbielecki wrote:
I basically want to know what the transgendered community think of this concept. The ethical notions it draws? How you think the non-transgendered public would receive it? And whether or not you think people within the transgendered community would like to compete in such a competition?[/b]


I am sure the non-trans community would love to watch a programme like that. It would just be another trashy TV show but this time mock an already battered, vulnerable and marginalized society. So there is your answer, the non-trans community would love it to bits!

What is the competition about? I mean, what are the tasks? No self-respecting transsexual wants to put themselves on the television to be ridiculed and be called a tranny. You wouldn’t find the university professors or the doctors or the writers wanting to be on a show like that but rather down and out, undereducated and poverty-stricken transpeople who are down on their luck and really have no where else to go. Think of Jerry Springer…if ever there is something that gives transpeople a bad name it is trashy television with mal-adjusted hookers representing the trans community.

Coming out to my family and friends is hard enough without having to worry about those closest to me getting a wrong view of transpeople by watching crappy programmes like this! Sure the transcommunity has its problem-children but don’t let those problem-children go on tv and be spokespeople for the rest of the community.

It would be like having a programme in French entitled “Le Meilleur Beur” (“The Best Arab”) where by trouble-making poor school-drop-out inner-city French kids of North-African origin act as representative of all French people of North-African origin.

It’s simply wrong and it makes me sick!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: BRITAIN'S NEXT TOP TRANNY Reply with quote

kazimirbielecki wrote:
First of all I’d like to apologise to anyone who is offended by the use of the word Tranny.

Well done for getting your apology in first.

Herbie has very generously decided to give you a ten second head start.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HELEN
what about putting some DIY and cookery into the mix and then Jerry Springer could appear and add some real class to the proceedings.

FABULOUS COMMENTARY Smile

SAIBH
I ask a simple question: why? Why not Britain's next top Packy or Britain's next top Retard or Britain's next top Faggot?

SPOT ON - WE ARE SOUL MATES Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS KILROY IS OUT OF MEDIA WORK - maybe he could discuss if they should SHARE OR SHAFT Winkp Razz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZ86GYoxE0

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wholeheartedly agree with every response to this ridiculous idea, and like Reenie said, well done for getting the apology in first, but it does beg the question....if you felt the need to apologise in advance, why say it at all?
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