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| Do you trust the police? |
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foxy c
Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 115 Location: Nr Leicester
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: Do you trust the police? |
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As per title
WHY?
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Nathan Tzoner

Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 810 Location: Brighton
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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do i trust the police?
not one bit
they have the same biases as any other people. _________________ "...risk something, take back whats yours, say something that you know they might attack you for..."
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Juz Advisor


Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 1000
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Do I trust the police in what? _________________ I have to EDIT because I can't SPELL!!
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Queen_Dennis

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 154 Location: Manchester
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I trust them on day to day issues. Sometimes I work opposite them and don't trust them an inch 
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Scaeme Tzoner


Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 1138 Location: Huddersfield
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: |
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I trust the police to catch other peoples' criminals. _________________ I look back at most of my life and think "WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING?!??"
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Herb

Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 339 Location: Greater London Co-Prosperity Sphere, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Trust them? To do what? _________________ The boobs are just a set of metaphors.
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Reenie Reporter


Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 3577 Location: Glasgow
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I've had many dealings with the gentlemen of the blue lamp and found them to be a good bunch.
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foxy c
Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 115 Location: Nr Leicester
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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As part of my presentation there will be at least one member of the police authority present, Part of his remit is to make the force more t-people friendly ( and even try and encourage a few of us to join-No i don't know how either ) Hence the question.
Would you approach them for help? Report a crime to them? Trust them to treat you fair?
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ice maiden Advisor


Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2691
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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i think their past associations (globally) as trans as sex workers doesnt help when you could be arrested for some other unrelated issue
drop that and stop the objectification and its fairly easy
treat the person as as the gender they 'present' and they cant go far wrong _________________ Man [...] must count no one but himself; that he is alone, abandoned on earth in the midst of his infinite responsibilities, without help, with no other aim than the one he sets himself, with no other destiny than the one he forges for himself on this earth." (Jean Paul Sartre, 1943)

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Sophie
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 179
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ice maiden wrote: | i think their past associations (globally) as trans as sex workers doesnt help when you could be arrested for some other unrelated issue
drop that and stop the objectification and its fairly easy
treat the person as as the gender they 'present' and they cant go far wrong |
perhaps their associations with trans people being sex workers, and then mistreating them because of that, could better be tackled by... perhaps, stopping them mistreating sex workers? you know, they're people too.
EDIT: I'd trust an officer, not a concept. you may as well ask me if I trust... teachers. There'll be some that deserve trust and respect, and some that won't.
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Juz Advisor


Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 1000
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Between police and teachers, I would trust teachers less.
I really find it difficult to trust a person who first half of the lesson entertains himself happilly scribbling on the board and mumbling to himself, and then turns over to the class and asks "So what did I write there?"
I mean, come on. You don't know, how comes I am supposed to? _________________ I have to EDIT because I can't SPELL!!
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Emma Ephemera
Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 109
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, time for another story or two. I seem to like these.
I was living in Longsight, a fairly rough part of Manchester, and was coming home on a Saturday. It was broad daylight, probably mid-afternoon. As I got to the corner of my road, two men were standing/sitting on the other side. They shouted at me, 'Chi-chi man go home,' and 'We don't want your kind round here. Understand? Understand?' I managed to hurry home without stopping or looking back, but I was really scared.
My flatmate at the time convinced me that I should report the incident to the police, despite my reluctance, and not believing that anything would come of it. We went down together to the local police station, and after a wait, they told us they were very busy, and that they didn't know when we would be seen. They agreed to take my phone number and ring me when an officer was free so I could come down.
I received a phone call maybe an hour later, and went straight to the station. I was told the officer who saw me had had specific training in LGBT and hate matters, and it was his duty to deal with those crimes in the local area. He took the details of the incident, treating it with respect, and didn't try to downplay or brush aside what had happened. He also asked for my name and status, in as much as he politely inquired whether I was transsexual or transvestite (not that it would make a difference), and whether he should use a different name in correspondence.
The officer explained that there was little chance that anything would result from this report, but he would register it as a transgender related hate crime. His said this would be positive for me because it was his duty to clear up 25% of all crimes in that category in his area, and so the more reports he received of hate crime the more time the police would have to give to clearing up at least some. I later received a letter and a crime reference number, either of which I can provide you with if needed.
All in all, a positive result. I don't think I could have asked for more.
The second incident occured also in Manchester in daylight and on a Saturday, but this time in the city centre. I was walking past a group of men who were in town for the football, and clearly had been drinking. As I walked past them, one of group, pulled me towards him and put me in a headlock. Somebody poured beer over my head, while they debated whether I was a man or a woman. I managed to wriggle away and shoot off, and thankfully they weren't bothered enough to follow me.
I went on Monday evening to report the incident at the city centre police station. They took the initial details, and then said somebody would see me when they could. No officer was able to see me, despite waiting for three hours. They said I could have a home visit, but as I then lived in a fairly rough area (like drugs and prostitution), I didn't think inviting the police to my flat would be a great idea. They said that I couldn't report the incident in another area, as they would just send me there, and same went for doing it online.
In the end, I couldn't be bothered to wait any longer, so I left. I told them to drop it, despite the fact that there would have been CCTV of the incident, and a real possibility of getting something done. The fact that I was trans, and it was a hate crime made no bearing on their failure: they were simply too busy to deal with a 'cold' crime.
The only piece of good advice I received was that if anything ever occurs like that again, I should phone the police immediately I am out of danger but not leave the general area, as then the crime is still 'hot' and I can get officers to the scene. Kinda common sense, but if you've ever been assaulted, your not calm enough to think things through til some time afterwards.
So, not a positive interaction with the police, but more to do with their general failings, rather than being specifically poor with regards to transsexual people.
Hope this is also useful, and you can use it however you want. I voted 'yes', by the way.
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foxy c
Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 115 Location: Nr Leicester
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Many thanks E.
The thread that seems to link a lot of this and previous topic is us lot not knowing our rights and them lot lot not knowing what to do / how to respond / what the law requires them to do
All is noted , Thank you all for your input keep it coming PLEASE
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noagirl
Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 38
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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To ensure you don't have trouble with the police make sure you get one of their Hate Crime booklets/packs and carry it when you are out then if you have any trouble just show it to let everyone know what the law is about being transgender.
As I No A Girl yet I get hassle at times and have had to call the police. Some officers are not familiar with TS rights but others are well up on it. Town community patrols seem a bit vague and need to know what Ts rights are.
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noagirl
Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 38
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Partner has just pointed out that in fact trans people could use the police focus on 'crimes' solved numbers to their own advantage by reporting any incident as ecah time a police person responds to a call it is logged as an incident and gives them their brownie points.
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