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Do you trust the police?
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Do you trust the police?
No never
20%
 20%  [ 3 ]
Yes
26%
 26%  [ 4 ]
No but with reservations
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Yes but with reservations
53%
 53%  [ 8 ]
Total Votes : 15

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foxy c



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Do you trust the police? Reply with quote

As per title

WHY?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do i trust the police?

not one bit

they have the same biases as any other people.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do I trust the police in what?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I trust them on day to day issues. Sometimes I work opposite them and don't trust them an inch Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I trust the police to catch other peoples' criminals.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust them? To do what?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had many dealings with the gentlemen of the blue lamp and found them to be a good bunch.
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foxy c



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As part of my presentation there will be at least one member of the police authority present, Part of his remit is to make the force more t-people friendly ( and even try and encourage a few of us to join-No i don't know how either ) Hence the question.
Would you approach them for help? Report a crime to them? Trust them to treat you fair?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think their past associations (globally) as trans as sex workers doesnt help when you could be arrested for some other unrelated issue

drop that and stop the objectification and its fairly easy

treat the person as as the gender they 'present' and they cant go far wrong

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ice maiden wrote:
i think their past associations (globally) as trans as sex workers doesnt help when you could be arrested for some other unrelated issue

drop that and stop the objectification and its fairly easy

treat the person as as the gender they 'present' and they cant go far wrong


perhaps their associations with trans people being sex workers, and then mistreating them because of that, could better be tackled by... perhaps, stopping them mistreating sex workers? you know, they're people too.

EDIT: I'd trust an officer, not a concept. you may as well ask me if I trust... teachers. There'll be some that deserve trust and respect, and some that won't.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Between police and teachers, I would trust teachers less.

I really find it difficult to trust a person who first half of the lesson entertains himself happilly scribbling on the board and mumbling to himself, and then turns over to the class and asks "So what did I write there?"
I mean, come on. You don't know, how comes I am supposed to?

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Emma Ephemera



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, time for another story or two. I seem to like these.

I was living in Longsight, a fairly rough part of Manchester, and was coming home on a Saturday. It was broad daylight, probably mid-afternoon. As I got to the corner of my road, two men were standing/sitting on the other side. They shouted at me, 'Chi-chi man go home,' and 'We don't want your kind round here. Understand? Understand?' I managed to hurry home without stopping or looking back, but I was really scared.

My flatmate at the time convinced me that I should report the incident to the police, despite my reluctance, and not believing that anything would come of it. We went down together to the local police station, and after a wait, they told us they were very busy, and that they didn't know when we would be seen. They agreed to take my phone number and ring me when an officer was free so I could come down.

I received a phone call maybe an hour later, and went straight to the station. I was told the officer who saw me had had specific training in LGBT and hate matters, and it was his duty to deal with those crimes in the local area. He took the details of the incident, treating it with respect, and didn't try to downplay or brush aside what had happened. He also asked for my name and status, in as much as he politely inquired whether I was transsexual or transvestite (not that it would make a difference), and whether he should use a different name in correspondence.

The officer explained that there was little chance that anything would result from this report, but he would register it as a transgender related hate crime. His said this would be positive for me because it was his duty to clear up 25% of all crimes in that category in his area, and so the more reports he received of hate crime the more time the police would have to give to clearing up at least some. I later received a letter and a crime reference number, either of which I can provide you with if needed.

All in all, a positive result. I don't think I could have asked for more.

The second incident occured also in Manchester in daylight and on a Saturday, but this time in the city centre. I was walking past a group of men who were in town for the football, and clearly had been drinking. As I walked past them, one of group, pulled me towards him and put me in a headlock. Somebody poured beer over my head, while they debated whether I was a man or a woman. I managed to wriggle away and shoot off, and thankfully they weren't bothered enough to follow me.

I went on Monday evening to report the incident at the city centre police station. They took the initial details, and then said somebody would see me when they could. No officer was able to see me, despite waiting for three hours. They said I could have a home visit, but as I then lived in a fairly rough area (like drugs and prostitution), I didn't think inviting the police to my flat would be a great idea. They said that I couldn't report the incident in another area, as they would just send me there, and same went for doing it online.

In the end, I couldn't be bothered to wait any longer, so I left. I told them to drop it, despite the fact that there would have been CCTV of the incident, and a real possibility of getting something done. The fact that I was trans, and it was a hate crime made no bearing on their failure: they were simply too busy to deal with a 'cold' crime.

The only piece of good advice I received was that if anything ever occurs like that again, I should phone the police immediately I am out of danger but not leave the general area, as then the crime is still 'hot' and I can get officers to the scene. Kinda common sense, but if you've ever been assaulted, your not calm enough to think things through til some time afterwards.

So, not a positive interaction with the police, but more to do with their general failings, rather than being specifically poor with regards to transsexual people.

Hope this is also useful, and you can use it however you want. I voted 'yes', by the way.
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foxy c



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks E.

The thread that seems to link a lot of this and previous topic is us lot not knowing our rights and them lot lot not knowing what to do / how to respond / what the law requires them to do
All is noted , Thank you all for your input keep it coming PLEASE

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noagirl



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To ensure you don't have trouble with the police make sure you get one of their Hate Crime booklets/packs and carry it when you are out then if you have any trouble just show it to let everyone know what the law is about being transgender.
As I No A Girl yet I get hassle at times and have had to call the police. Some officers are not familiar with TS rights but others are well up on it. Town community patrols seem a bit vague and need to know what Ts rights are.
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noagirl



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Partner has just pointed out that in fact trans people could use the police focus on 'crimes' solved numbers to their own advantage by reporting any incident as ecah time a police person responds to a call it is logged as an incident and gives them their brownie points.
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