The new birth certificate is for your new gender. So on my old BC I have a girls name. On my new BC I have a boys name. I changed my name by deed poll, first then got my new BC.

If you do not change your name by DP, you will be known by your girls name on all official papers.

I can now change some papers to my new gender, now I can prove it. For all the DP's would not cover due to my original BC.

Summery.

Change your name by DP.
Then get your new BC.
It's a lot bloody easier, I can tell you.

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The reason I thought a GRC would be an all-in-one type of thing is because the deedpoll website states

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"Consequently, a new birth certificate can be issued showing the new or amended name details. If you are able to get a new birth certificate issued, a Deed Poll is not required as the new birth certificate will be accepted by everyone as documentary evidence of the change of name thus enabling all documents and records to be changed to the new name"

Hence my utter confusion with this whole thing.

I mean, if the new birth certificate I would get would say 'male' on it, I'd be happy, but if it's only changing my name, I wouldn't be. If getting a GRC (which I thought was something everybody did eventually do anyway) would change this, I don't see why it'd be a waste of time to get one. I want the rights as a biological male, even if they are only marrying a female as a man and wife, and retiring at 65.

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It also says on the Deedpoll site

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# If you have changed your gender and obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate (from 4th April 2005) If you are at least 18 years of age and have gender dysphoria and have been living in your acquired gender for at least two years, you can apply to the Gender Recognition Panel for a Gender Recognition Certificate, which will enable you to obtain a new birth certificate showing your new gender and name. The new birth certificate can be used as documentary evidence of your change of name thus avoiding the need for a Deed Poll.

So surely thats proof enough that it does act as a name change? The GRC sounds like a fast track

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1. what is your current legal state (male or female)

2. answer these questions with yes or no answers

a) do you still live and work under your original name (legally) calling yourself something else doesnt count in this instance

b) have you changed you name legally by Statutory declaration

c) have you applied for a Gender Recognition Certifcate

e) have you or are you attending a Gender identitiy clinic

- if so how long have you been attending it

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this is usually the set up

Person attends gender clinic

Part of the real life test is to change your name by deed pole (stat dec)

so you name is changed by default

person after a few years has their practitioner write up their medical report - this is a downloadable and print form from the GRP website

person encloses stat dec medical report, evidence of living in gender role for a few years - official letters for example - i had a letter from my MP from about 10 years ago so no worries there

person takes all of this to a solicitor to witness the second stat dec that is at the end of the GRC application

this is nothing to do with name change this is to swear you have followed the rules of the application and promise to live as your new gender - not married etc - if you lie you could be arrested you see

APPLY

if you miss anything they will phone you up - when they call you (in the application) have a password to say on the phone - as this is a very CONFIDENTIAL thing and they could be in trouble if they slip up as it is legally protected information - only the secretary of state or the individual who can give permission to out the past gender

then you should if all goes well get a GRC like the one i showed you on the other page

a little later the registrar where you were born will send you a new BC in your new gender if you are FTM it will say Male or Boy depending on how old you are

then they will offer you additional certificates at a one off special offer - get a couple long ones and a few shortened ones

lastly the Inland revenue and other agencies may send you new NI information updated pension information and so on

and thats it

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1. what is your current legal state (male or female) Female legally. I havent changed anything.

2. answer these questions with yes or no answers (I can't. It's too complicated)

a) do you still live and work under your original name (legally) calling yourself something else doesnt count in this instance. - I don't work but I went to college, and I was known as 'Alexander' there and everywhere else, although on my bills (which I only have had recently when I moved into my house) its my girl name.

b) have you changed you name legally by Statutory declaration. - No

c) have you applied for a Gender Recognition Certifcate - Going to do so..

e) have you or are you attending a Gender identitiy clinic - I attend the Sandyford. It isnt just a GID clinic. It deals with sexual health and sexuality although I attend for GID reasons and see a psychologist with an interest in the field. I did see a doctor at a proper GID clinic when I was 17 because I was under 18 and too young for the ones available in Scotland.

- if so how long have you been attending it - I've been seeing the psych. I have now for around 6 years, 5 about my GID.

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it is standard practice for you to have had a RLT of some sort and part of that is to have a Stat Dec of you chosen male name

have you had any hormones yet

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My psychiatrist has never spoken of the RLT because I was living as a male anyway. The only thing NOT male about me is my bills and legal documents. I'm starting to think I've been let down by my psych.

And yes, I've been on HRT for a year now.

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well these are the international guideline for your psychiatrist

see wpath.org

IX. The Real-Life Experience
The act of fully adopting a new or evolving gender role or gender presentation in everyday life is
known as the real-life experience. The real-life experience is essential to the transition to the
gender role that is congruent with the patient’s gender identity. Since changing one's gender
presentation has immediate profound personal and social consequences, the decision to do so
should be preceded by an awareness of what the familial, vocational, interpersonal, educational,
economic, and legal consequences are likely to be. Professionals have a responsibility to discuss
these predictable consequences with their patients. Change of gender role and presentation can
be an important factor in employment discrimination, divorce, marital problems, and the
restriction or loss of visitation rights with children. These represent external reality issues that
must be confronted for success in the new gender presentation. These consequences may be quite
different from what the patient imagined prior to undertaking the real-life experiences. However,
not all changes are negative.
Parameters of the Real-Life Experience. When clinicians assess the quality of a person's reallife
experience in the desired gender, the following abilities are reviewed:
1. To maintain full or part-time employment;
2. To function as a student;
3. To function in community-based volunteer activity;
4. To undertake some combination of items 1-3;
5. To acquire a (legal) gender-identity-appropriate first name;
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6. To provide documentation that persons other than the therapist know that the patient
functions in the desired gender role.
Real-Life Experience versus Real-Life Test. Although professionals may recommend living in
the desired gender, the decision as to when and how to begin the real-life experience remains the
person's responsibility. Some begin the real-life experience and decide that this often imagined
life direction is not in their best interest. Professionals sometimes construe the real-life
experience as the real-life test of the ultimate diagnosis. If patients prosper in the preferred
gender, they are confirmed as "transsexual," but if they decided against continuing, they "must
not have been." This reasoning is a confusion of the forces that enable successful adaptation with
the presence of a gender identity disorder. The real-life experience tests the person's resolve, the
capacity to function in the preferred gender, and the adequacy of social, economic, and
psychological supports. It assists both the patient and the mental health professional in their
judgments about how to proceed. Diagnosis, although always open for reconsideration, precedes
a recommendation for patients to embark on the real-life experience. When the patient is
successful in the real-life experience, both the mental health professional and the patient gain
confidence about undertaking further steps.

note the name part

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well i think i have gathered from smithscowboy's posts that he has chosen not to legally change his name yet because he is hasn't made a 100% decision on what his legal name should be, because of reasons with people close to him having the same name that he really connects with and being afraid of offending them or being accused of ''name stealing''. as a result he has used a different name for years but never legalised it because he never connected with it. and i think everyone here who has gone through the name changing process of notifying everyone will know that they wouldn't want to do it twice

sorry if those are assumptions but i thought i'd make it clear as a lot of people in this thread seem baffled as to why you haven't legalised a male name yet.

don't worry about the grc and new bc right now. that'll complicate things. for now just make a decision on your name and do either a deed poll or stat dec (they both have the same effect) and once that's done, then look into obtaining a grc.

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Good point. I somehow didn't connect the two topics but it all makes sense now.

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Ok well reading all this from you guys.. I swear someone said something about if you change your name by deedpoll you can then change your birth certificate from that? Or were they just talking about the whole GRC?

Also, yes I want to marry a girl.. The only way I have of marrying her is if I get my birth certificate switched to male as she lives in America and they dont think you're a male unless you show proof that you have a penis.. Ridiculous if you ask me but thats why Im thankful I live in England. Any help for me please?

I would do the GRC and I will do it if this deedpoll thing doesnt work out but Im suck in therapy and everything to get this GRC in the first place because my therapist wasnt qualified to say i have "gender dysphoria".
Anyway any help would be highly appreciated, thanks.

This thread has gone down some confusing routes for sure. Deedpoll only changes your name. If you want to change your birth certificate you need to get the GRC.

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Just to let you all know, I sent my GRC app away yesterday, so I'll let you know what happens with it.

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