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Claudia · Tzoner Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 227

I guess it's quite tempting to find some sense of justification of the condition of transsexualism by physical means, I think of it myself, and I think that it is justified in some cases, although there seem to still be a significant portion who have completely normal bodies for their birth sex, and other cisgendered people who have intersexed bodies, so I think there is another neurological factor involved, although from anecdotal evidence I have seen that with MTFs particularly, they tend to look more effeminate than the "other" boys in adolescence. I have always wondered too since I have female levels of body hair, which also means no facial hair I have to shave, and a bone structure within an ordinary female figure (for face and torso) although in my case it seems to be a lack of testosterone rather than a higher level of estrogen.

Sophia · Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 31

emrock wrote:

I like that arguement, but always get nervous about things like that, becasue before you know it people will say you arn't transsexual unless you have gynaecomastia. I don't have any of those conditions, and so get worried that it would make people doubt me more.

Though it is true that I have never had much facial hair and I have always had soft skin. And my feet are pretty small at size 7, and I know girls with bigger hands than me, so maybe there is some truth in it. But I would still be cautious...

Me, the way I look, nobody takes me seriously when I tell them I'm a girl trapped in a guy's body.

It can be depressing.

No, I don't have gynecomastia --- but I wish I did!!

debs · Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 72

I was on med a year back and my breasts grew to a rather meagre A cup though they seem to be a little bigger of late i have not mesured them again i know they are nowhere near a B (yet Wink

and a C would be perfect sizewise for me Very Happy

), i did go to the docs about this as there were some other symptoms, like itchy and sensitive nipples, reddening around the nipples and lactation in very small amounts. she said its nothing to worry about but she did not actually state weather it was gynecomastia or not but i suspect it to be so. she did have some blood tests done and some levels levels of something in my blood were higher, can't remember what they were now though but they were as high as a pregnant woman would have and are one of the causes of the woman producing milk (may have been prolactins???)

Debs X

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Stella Maru · Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 2248 Location: Brighton

Anti-psychotic drugs used in the treatment of schizophrenia, psychosis and bi-polar disorder can, and sometimes do, act indirectly to cause elevated levels of prolactin, (a pituitary hormone that regulates milk production and breast growth in women) leading to gynecomastia.

See: Journal of Clinical Psychiatry. 2004 Nov;65(11):1491-8.
Prevalence of hyperprolactinemia in schizophrenia: association with typical and atypical antipsychotic treatment.
Montgomery J, Winterbottom E, Jessani M, Kohegyi E, Fulmer J, Seamonds B, Josiassen RC.

tim0nic · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject:

Hiya,

I'm not a (trans)woman, however, my doc says my breasts look like gynaecomastia. My breasts never really developed, so I ended up with a chest that looks pretty much like a normal, male chest- except for the enlarged (as in swollen) areolas. It looks kinda odd sometimes, however, nobody really seems to care about it when I go swimming or get changed.

Luv,
Tim.

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**ice maiden** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2691

'm not a (trans)woman

what is a 'trans woman' do you think Smile

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la_glitch · Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 434

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what is a 'trans woman' do you think

i think tim meant a transsexual woman. as in a woman who wasn't physically born a woman; one of those who undergoes gender reassignment in order to acheive a state they feel is comfortable with their own self-image of woman. you know the type. bolshy, prone to dramatic outbursts, binges on butterfly metaphors*. i hear they hang out on internet messageboards.

excuse me.

as for the IS link...... i'm real wary about this, because IS people have a whole different array of issues that they have to deal with, which are completely separate to issues that TS people have to deal with. i think that many of them would feel rather annoyed if TS people tried to claim the very stark situations of many IS people as their own. i mean, apart from everything else, we don't get 'corrected' at birth, do we?

the 1995 paper that stella is referencing is very intresting, but the sample size is way too small. then again, getting brains and then slicing them up for electron microscopy isn't particularly easy. so. it's understandable why they only had so many individuals to form their data on.

i never had gynocomastia before takingh a bunch of drugs.

*p.s. i'm being paranoid here, but on the offchance anybody thinks this is an attack against them, well, it's not. i've been annoyed with butterfly metaphors for, oooh, about five years now. i mean, overused much? i've considered getting a tattoo of a butterfly in order to try and get over it, but i'm not sure that's a good idea. so there. i also know that i am as bolshy and as prone to dramatic outbursts as the next hip young transwoman on the street. so. as you were.

**ice maiden** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2691

one of those who undergoes gender reassignment in order to acheive a state they feel is comfortable with their own self-image of woman

Hands up who agrees Smile

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la_glitch · Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 434

i think the point was less to do with semantics and definitions, IM, but rather that tim and likely the rest of this board have a good understanding of exactly what type of characteristics constitute a transwoman. considering where and who we are, and all.