For the 10th time woo hoo! Double figures for moderator abuse of power!

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hi i missed most of this and was told by another admin the following statement Quote: To CheekyCat I would say we decided to limit access to Tarabeth because she was upsetting other ordinary members who now feel intimidated about posting. That Tzone is support forum first and foremost, although we do allow a bit of discussion we have to draw a line somewhere. Admin

Firstly, don't you just love the transparancy of it all? There's the distancing of oneself from the original decision by saying I missed most of it "but" - And then the hiding behind the collective and mysterious "we" who still offer no explanation to the arbitrary procedures and summary (ie without warning) expulsion. Perhaps you could take off your aprons, roll down your trouser legs and tell as what formal procedures are to be adopted to prevent such fiasco's in the future? But then that would require a degree of collective and personal integrity from the site moderators and those are attributes that have been sadly lacking in this whole bloody debacle.


Secondly, there is the sheer hypocrisy of the reasons given for the expulsion which relate to Tarabeth "upsetting other ordinary members who now feel intimadated about posting"

Well in the 9 months or so that i've ben posting on this site I've had several e-mails from young, highly educated trans women to say exactly the same thing! A few debates that spring to mind are the "Aetiology" debate / "Toilets" debate / "LGBT Societies" debate/ "Coming out to partners" debate when several young trans women have e-mailed me to say that they agreed with many of the points that I was proposing and arguing about on those debates.

And in some of those particular debates the screaming politico's were chucking about unfounded, unbalanced and unreasoned allegations of transphobia. Now personally, although allegations of transphobia anger me, I'm hardened enough not to let such allegations bother me too much...... especially as I can see through the pseudo-intellectual (ie intellectual fraudster) half wits who often propose such nonsense but have not the debating skills nor academic prowess to support their arguments.

However, I know of several very talented and intelligent youngs trans women who have more or less stopped posting on this site for those very same reasons. And if she reads this, I hope she won't object to me posting this extract from a PM but it highlights exactly the kind of disillusionment and reluctance to post on TZone that is felt by many people here:-

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I am really worried that people have blinded themselves by the want to love and respect everyone. When some people struggle for basic rights, like using a loo, because trans-inclusive rights have pigeon holed them in the same category as a guy on a night out in fancy dress. Is this really what we want? and to be honest I think this is insulting to people who have fought (and lost) connections with their family, work and relationships because they are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. "the general public can differentiate between a man in a dress and a gender dysphoric" - I would say the discrimination we have all faced is evidence against this. I mean, are they being serious? lol. I have no idea why I even care. I am becoming very disillusioned with other TS people, mainly due to this kind of attitude. Maybe I am wrong. (Unlikely) Sorry if this is out of turn, but i really have no interest in arguing this point with the others. I just want you to be aware that their are a few sane people out there!

And this was from someone who used to post very intelligent, entertaining, reasoned posts on a number of topics and who is now so disillusioned with this site that she barely posts at all. And personally, i think thats a very sad state of affairs!

So if all it takes for someone to be expelled from this site is for them to upset a few ordinary members then where do I email my list? Because that argument works both ways.....although I have yet to see a single other person be censored for expressing some of the extreme views that they hold. Double standards from the Site Mods me thinks!

Thirdly, the second justification given for the expulsion relates to the assertion that that Tzone is primarily a Support Forum. Well yes, that's one of it's functions, but on the front page of Tzone it says we are here to "Educate, Communicate and Inform". Now presumably from the recent Censorship Debacle we should actually change that tab to read "Educate, Communicate and Inform the arbitrary views of the moderators who shall decide what is or is not acceptable opinions to be held on gender theory"

Yes, I know, its a bit of a mouthful but hey, we don't to want to give anyone a false impression of what our purpose is eh?

And going back to the Support Forum argument as I said in an earlier post on another thread, rather than being worried about some TV/CD being upset that someone expresses an opinion that they are different to people who suffer from Gender Dysphoria, then there are other, more fundamental things that I'd be worried about in coming to this site for support.

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Well can you imagine how the parents of young trans people must be feeling when they come here looking for support only to find a bunch of polly poliiticos ranting on about support for transvestite hookers or advocating buying dodgy hormones on the internet or the abolishment of gender binaries and the rest of the politically rabid agendas that are routinely spouted on this site? I'll bet they must be genuinely worried sick about the future of their kids when they read this kind of stuff!

Again, double standards me thinks from the Site Mods!

Anyway, I'm not gonna bang on about this any longer because it's no use arguing with people on this website. Indeed it's like arguing with a bunch of "creationists" to whom rational argument and evidence are things to be avoided lest they be exposed as the frauds that they often are.


It seems to me that the "Transgender Community" that you envisage in this web-site is one that sets aside trans people from "mainstream" society and is more concerned with political agenda's than any individual persons wish to transition, live their live fully in their true gender and simply get on with life!

In many of my posts / arguments I've tried to offer a view of a life path for trans people that truly embraces living in one's true gender and simply embracing life. But it seems that that is not what many of you want at all and are more interested in political radicalism and fighting against the gender binary and other such nonsense.

Well to be honest, such nonsense bores me to death, and continually arguing with such paranoid politico's also bores me to death.

And this latest censorship bullshit from the site mods is the final straw for me. I've no desire to hang around on a web forum that purports to represent the "Transgender Community" but is indeed nothing more than platform for a bunch of politically motivated radicals and woe and betide anyone who should express an opinion on gender politics that differs from theirs.

Cheekycat struts back to the real world and leaves behind those who strive against trans inclusion in the real world!

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In all things, moderation (pun not intended).

The TG community needs to understand the TS community, and visa versa.
Ultimately the stealth cisnormative TS people can't be part of the fight for equality, for that requires being out and openly speaking about experiences.
Those out cisnormative TS people and the rest of the trans* community must all learn to accept eachother and never shoot one another in the foot in campaigning.

Edit: This isn't intending to lead into a debate, and I don't think debating this all in Cheeky's goodbye thread is a good idea. I just felt it needed to be said that sometimes we need to stop looking at things in terms of black and white, one or the other - working together is often best.

Although we certainly have not seen eye-to-eye on some matters, it is a shame that you have decided to go, as I have seen some wonderful truths from you. However that is your right, and given your upset over the moderation action (although albeit entirely unjustified upset), I can understand your desires to move on.

Whatever you do, I wish you well and happiness

Cheekycat. If you keep pushing the mods around like this you do know they'll have to draw a line somewhere to end disruption.
I'd prefer it if you just calmed down and let this bone go because you DO have a valuable contribution to the forum, but you're really letting yourself down this crusade with censorship and that.
Come on Cheekycat. It's time to put an end to this

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The team are not 'some dark force'

just ordinary folk who have an interest in trans issues and all trans issues are of interest

i wont change your post - you have had your say and let that be an end to it

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i was tempted to do that but thought better of it

luke P

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cheekycat, you are one of the members of this forum that is a breath of fresh air from the constant trying to alienate transsexed-born people from the rest of society i often see around these parts.

creating a noun 'transwoman' for a woman who was born transsexed, as you have said, implies a trans woman is some sort of third gender seperate from cissexed women.

it's fine as an adjective, as that's used to describe a type of a man or woman, but forming a noun implies they're something different altogether.

how many people describe men and women in ways such as 'gayman' 'thinwoman', 'whiteman', 'greeneyedwoman' ? because of course, there are men, and then there are gaymen

but, my point is, different views are important to balance out that mentality (but not in a hostile way) and it would be a shame if you left because of someone who caused a bit of disruption (putting her views aside).

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William, I suggest you look around and see what happened while you were away.
What you say is partially true, but you didnt see the rest of the stuff that individual who is no longer on the forums was responsible for. Most of it had little to do with intergration into society, but more into encouraging the persecution of certain minority groups.
I'm sure the rest of the mod team will let you know what you missed.

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oh i've read all the internal emails and have been kept pretty up-to-date with the abuse on the forum. the other moderators know what they are doing, and from what i gather they took the decision to excluse tarabeth, not because of her views, but the aggressive way she expressed them.

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