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BlackandPurple · Tzoner Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 870 Location: Australia

The adam and eve story was also connected to Judaisim with adams first wife Lilith, who refused to be with adam and left him for not submitting to his needs.

Eve was made from adams ribs but that's a symbolic meaning that Eve was bound to adam as a wife to submit to his needs.

which is how at the time the man had more dominace over his wife, so how did marriage exsisted?

Saying that God created man in his own image was a representation of giving humans an intelligence on understanding more complex issues and feelings compared to animals, animals use instincts to survive, but we also have more of a choice in what we do or not do.

Lilith had chosen to leave adam and walk away, if she was a monkey she would just eat sleep and whatever which is only the instincts of survival which has limitations.

So why did the bible portraying in Genisis is saying that we already have highly developed intelligence and awareness and choice when were suppose to have evolved?

Did we evolved at all or were we really humans to begine with, has anyone thought about who wrote the genesis chapter the persons name were they are from and how long ago it was written?

more needs to be known if this is fiction or not so prove it please. Rolling Eyes

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BlackandPurple · Tzoner Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 870 Location: Australia

here's a thought let's see what happens when man uses nuclear wepons all over the globe and whipe out humanitys population completly then we'll see if there is a God or not Laughing

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wild_flower · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject:

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more needs to be known if this is fiction or not so prove it please.

It's not up to non-believers prove whether there is a god or not, it's up to the believers.

As for proof of evolution, if you want to see in action you have not got to look any further than bacteria and viruses, which are evolving all the time.

Oh, and there is no blackness in nothing, because that would mean there is something. Common sense really when you think about it Smile

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On a side note, i find it really depressing that this debate is still going on in the 21st century. It sometimes feels more like the 12th century. Rolling Eyes

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I'm keeping stum. They'll be 'round with the butterfly nets otherwise - for me as well as the fairies. Smile

I'll make sure i'll keep it quite too, although i did mention it to the local hobbit, but he promised to keep it to himself as long as i kept my dog away from him.

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BlackandPurple · Tzoner Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 870 Location: Australia

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Oh, and there is no blackness in nothing, because that would mean there is something. Common sense really when you think about it .

Finaly you've figured out there is somthing and that's what i'm trying to get people to think about Rolling Eyes

it was nice of you to fall for that one Smile

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It's not up to non-believers prove whether there is a god or not, it's up to the believers.

again I'll repeat myself if the entire population of the human race got whiped out then it's up to everyone to see if there is a god or not, believers and non believers they would both be involved in the situation.
Rolling Eyes

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As for proof of evolution, if you want to see in action you have not got to look any further than bacteria and viruses, which are evolving all the time.

FFS!!!!

how many times do I need to say that if we came from prime mates then show a scientist that can change the DNA strand to make the creature more human looking like us, yet I'm just getting the same Bullshit answers that are going in circles. Rolling Eyes

so i'm guessing nobody has a full proof clue how we evolved!

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On a side note, i find it really depressing that this debate is still going on in the 21st century. It sometimes feels more like the 12th century.

the 12th century had more people beliving in superstition and had a strong christian belief more than what science was gaining in that time. Rolling Eyes

but if you don't like the situation then I'm afraid the debate of science and faith could go on for another 100 years or more until one hits the other in the face with the truth.

and that will be beyond our years before we can figure it out properly.

so I'm going to say that i've had my fun talking about faith and science and I'm sure people are going to be interested in your answers, I've had a ball HA HA HA! Laughing

Peace.

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**Reenie** · Reporter Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 3577 Location: Glasgow

Nature abhors a vacuum and so superstitions rush in where synapses fear to tread.

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**Becky** · Advisor Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 337 Location: Lancaster

I'm sure we've had this discussion before, sparked by someone telling a ghost story, oh and another time caused by a poster deciding that his religous beliefs would not permit him to transition.
I tend to view these discussions as interesting culture clashes, there is room for all sides however and unfortuneately sloppy use of language is jumped upon by either side to accuse the other of sloppy thinking.
Personally I tend towards an accomodation between the religious and the scientific accepting space for both the scientific and the spiritual sides of life.
Darwinism is at the moment the paradigm accepted by the scientific community but for many years it was almost eclipsed by Lamarkism ( the theory that the experiences of a creatures parents can be handed down as physical traits adapted to better survive those experiences should they re-occur) and as usual with these things it was politics rather than evidence that led to Darwinisms ascendancy to its current unassailable position.
Many of Lyall Watsons books contain science based discussions of apparent anomalys and are worth reading, I'm not preaching as a disciple here but as someone who is prepared to admit that there are other possibilities to the ones we accept as truth.

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**Reenie** · Reporter Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 3577 Location: Glasgow

I had a physics teacher who told us to "question everything, and that includes everything that I tell you..."

Not bad advice, that.

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**Alan314159** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 389

Reenie wrote:

I had a physics teacher who told us to "question everything, and that includes everything that I tell you..."

Not bad advice, that.

If the education system then was anything like it is now, that's probably because you only find out in a higher tier course that everything they told you before was a gross simplification/outright lie. Very Happy

I went for years believing that you could not take the square-root of a negative number!

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Oh, and there is no blackness in nothing, because that would mean there is something. Common sense really when you think about it.

Blackness tells you nothing about what is in a space, merely how much light there is emitted from it. For instance, black holes are black, but there's still a whole crapload of stuff there. Very Happy

**Reenie** · Reporter Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 3577 Location: Glasgow

Alan314159 wrote:

If the education system then was anything like it is now, that's probably because you only find out in a higher tier course that everything they told you before was a gross simplification/outright lie.

The same physics teacher and at least another chemistry teacher were honest enough to tell us "what I'm about to tell you is a lie..."

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Sophie · Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 179

if belief in something can automatically be compared to religious faith, then I'm the founder of tens of thousands of religion, some of them QUITE MAJOR.

There's "I believe in the skyism", which generally involves belief in something that allows us the ability to respirate, and 'I can make a good cup of teaolic' which is also quite widespread.

Can I tithe for them as one of my fundamental precepts, or force people to renounce such beliefs for not concurring with my messiah of tea, Earl Grey (blessed be his tasty liquid)?