there is a transgender subculture of genital mutilation that exists - i think rather than go into detail perhaps read this page first and click this link

caution advised
and click the link at the bottom of that page

http://www.transgenderzone.com/library/ae/fulltext/32.htm

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if you are looking for surgery for a neo vagina without taking hormones - so kinda like a pre op FTM so to speak

then this is perfectly possible but may require a private referral

unfortunately most practitioners subscribe the the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care (AKA WPATH)

Basically the surgery being the final stage of treatment rather than the beginning and by then HRT has taken its toll

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The "reassignment" of your subject line - as in "gender reassignment" - is a social process relating to social role playing in society, and does not therefore apply to the creation of a medical chimera of the kind you imagine.

Hi there

What is it exactly that you want? Ie do you want the full female genitalia, but not breasts? Or do you just want no penis and a labia instead. If so, technically this should be possible - the hardest thing will be getting a surgeon to do it.

The labia for going from male to female are constructed from the scrotal tissue I think. The actual vaginal cavity (if wanted) is made from the shaft of the penis. So I guess you might have your scrotal skin made into labia, and then the penis removed.

Let me know more details and I'll do some searching around for you

Cheers
Sparkz

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I would prefer the full female genitalia, without the breasts.

That's exactly right; the penis and scrotum are basically reversed - that is to say, they're introverted - to resemble, and for most physical purposes be, a vagina.

If you could find anything stating that this Has been done, or isn't as difficult as it may seem, that would be much appreciated! :3

i think it something you could ask an SRS surgeon

take a look at our practitioner guide

www.transgenderzone.com

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yes its possible, the difficulty will be finding a surgeon who's willing to do it

seeing as your in north america you probably have a greater chance of finding one than you would over here. you may want to check out genderqueer revolution - they're based in california but have chapters all over north america so may have an idea about who to approach and who not to approach

good luck

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Ok, here's what I've got so far...

Breasts come from taking female hormones

The vagina comes from surgery

So, if you had genital surgery, but didn't take female hormones, you would have a vagina but no breasts!

Most people I have heard of that want surgery but not hormones identify as transmen (who say, want to remove their breasts, but are happy on female hormones and with female genitalia). Having surgery but no hormones is done, so it is definitely possible.

Now, it gets complicated here...

To have your vagina created, you will need your balls removed. Removing your balls means that your body will not have high levels of testosterone.

But if you aren't on female hormones either, this means you have an adult body without high levels of female OR male hormones. Post-pubertal bodies need high levels of at least one of these types of hormones - otherwise you are highly likely to get osteoporosis, which is a debilitating bone disease.

So....

You could get genital surgery and have a vagina created (thus removing your balls)
AND
take regular testosterone injections
- this way you will not develop breasts, but will have a vagina and will not get osteoporosis. The testosterone is unlikely to make you any hairier or anything, as you will simply have the testosterone levels you presently have. If you wish to remove your bodily hair, this can be done via electrolysis or regular waxing.

OR

You could get genital surgery and have a vagina created (thus removing your balls)
AND
take female hormones, and have your breasts surgically removed once they stop growing. Breasts can be easily hidden with a binder, which transguys wear to hide their breasts.
-this way you will (eventually) have a vagina, no breasts, and you will not get osteoporosis.

Whatever you decide, I would strongly recommend that you read the entire standards of care for transpeople. This will help you figure out how you can get the treatment you want. it is at:
http://www.wpath.org/Documents2/socv6.pdf
Please ignore the pathologising language in it - it is a reflect of societal prejudice, not reality!

Once you work out what you'd like, let me know, and I'll try and track down some specific journal articles for you. They may help educate your potential surgeons etc and so convince them of what they can and should do.

hope this helps!
x
Sparkz

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part of the problem is the term 'body dysmorphism'

Russell Reid did refer people who wanted their legs cut off as he flt they 'wanted it' and were genuine' and after all whats the difference between them and ts people

shame you dont have him no more

the removal of perfectly healthy tissue will always be an issue

and this is why gender conforming TS people have all the breaks - cos the rest are basically 'nuts' from an establishment POV

We know thats not the case if anything the gender conformers could be seen as selling the rest of our community 'down the river'

but thats another story init xxx

IM

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Yes there was a programme on channel 4 last week about modern castration which is controlled surgery. All the guys who had "that horrid thing" removed never regretted it. That though is not a recomendation.

Remember it's your body, and only you can approach the difficult decisions in life. Never do anything unless you are 100% sure it's what you really want in life.

As a transwoman I have to transition fully, but I understand many cannot go through with it, you have to know your limits in your own life.

interesting vote at the bottom of this page
http://www.channel4.com/health/microsites/T/talking_points/eunuchs/

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I believe that James Bellringer will consider doing private surgery of this kind ... but he will prob need a referral. You don't have to take hormones if you go private, just live 'in role'...which could mean living androgyne I guess.

It might help to get a referral if you are willing to take an anti-androgen like androcur or goseralin acetate. After all, you need to be sure you can live without testosterone don't u?

Mind you, i have heard of someone who had a vaginoplasty but kept their testicles...they were relocated inside the body where they are before they 'drop'.

Christina x
p.s. this is my first post...some of u may know me from NuttycaTS or TransLondon.