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suesx · Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 15

My ex sue, has found this site and people helpful, so wanted to share the info for others who might want to have a look Smile

good site with lots of info and support numbers to call as well.

http://www.gendertrust.org.uk/htm/index1.htm

**ice maiden** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2691

Its a well known site in the UK

and we have had our - 'communications' with them over some of their corporate sponsors poor treatment of transgender people

nuff said

Smile

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**Flameboy** · Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject:

ice maiden wrote:

Its a well known site in the UK

and we have had our - 'communications' with them over some of their corporate sponsors poor treatment of transgender people

nuff said

Smile

Interesting - I've found some of their resources useful also, but had reservations about their corporate sponsorship - not to mention the amount they charge for membership!

Are you at liberty to expand any more on your previous statement, Ice Maiden? If not, I fully understand - though if you are I'd be very interested to hear more...

Dave

**ice maiden** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2691

not really will give you a short explanation in IM

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suesx · Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 15

shame so what we are saying then is that they are not as good as they seem, is that right?...

or just that they are supported by others who are not good,... well any ways, enless its explained more, i am confused now, good or not good,...lol Razz

**sgian** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 194 Location: london

i know that if you have real financial problems you don't have to pay the whole fee.they go in and speak to companies who have transsexual employees and there is also a helpline.all this i suppose costs money.i'm a member and i have found it useful while transitioning.
i don't know about the corporate sponsors not treating trans people well so i can't comment on that.i have heard good things about royal mail and there treatment of transsexual employees but thats as much as i know.

**ice maiden** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2691

the Royal mail recently Sacked a MTF trans postperson that was being abused - rather than sympathising with them and maybe shadowing their rounds with an inspector or offering a different round the person had little choice but in their distressed state dumped the mail and hid - this lead to the RM having them arrested and charged - which is fine - but little sympathy was given for the terror this person experienced that led to this

so caring

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**ice maiden** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2691

Corporations BUY their trans diversity status these days - they dont EARN it with the communitys respect

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suesx · Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 15

ice maiden wrote:

the Royal mail recently Sacked a MTF trans postperson that was being abused - rather than sympathising with them and maybe shadowing their rounds with an inspector or offering a different round the person had little choice but in their distressed state dumped the mail and hid - this lead to the RM having them arrested and charged - which is fine - but little sympathy was given for the terror this person experienced that led to this

so caring

oh dear me, sigh,... i would be interested in where these facts were from, the media love causing a stir, and some of us can't help but to jump in to the pit and it is normaly full of hate and anger. thanks to the media!

If a post person was sacked, then it was for abandoning the mail, not for being a MTF, the law has to be followed, sadly at times it is silly and has no regard for the real victims, but sadly rules are every where, and the royal mail may have been trying to do something for this member of staff, but before anything could be sorted out, it became to late,...who knows i was not there,...
but this is a support site, i do not think that stories like this are very helpful,..:/.. it just breeds hate!
I mean how many are out there now thinking they hate the royal mail?...lol.... i know i did for a split second! It could prevent some from getting a job, or going to look for a job with them,....
people need to get things in to perspective, as how offten things happen, when and why!

All i know is that the above site link that i posted was helpful to us, and some others, and i for one think that it would be better to have help and guidance from people when feeling very low, than non at all,... i know i would rather have someone to talk to than be alone, and so with that i leave with an opinion that trying to turn something that could help someone, in to something bad, is not that good at all, :/.. and maybe has put worry in to some peoples minds, and doubt, that may stop them from calling for help when they need it most.

and that to me is a sad thing Sad

wisdom comes with understanding!

**Flameboy** · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject:

I'm very glad the site was useful to you, however (and I have no direct experience of the organisation in question) I personally would rather ask for help from an organisation that I know I can trust to support me and not abandon me for the sake of their corporate sponsors.

Equally, I would rather not support an organisation that gets large amounts of money from corporate sponsors in that way, especially when the interests of the sponsors may at times be at odds with the interests of the individuals. I believe that this is bound to lead to occasions when there is a conflict of interests - and the interests of the corporations will win - money talks, after all.

I'm therefore I'm very glad that both sides have been pointed out, in order that those reading these posts can make their own minds up.

Dave

**ice maiden** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2691

[quote="suesx"]

ice maiden wrote:

the Royal mail recently Sacked a MTF trans postperson that was being abused - rather than sympathising with them and maybe shadowing their rounds with an inspector or offering a different round the person had little choice but in their distressed state dumped the mail and hid - this lead to the RM having them arrested and charged - which is fine - but little sympathy was given for the terror this person experienced that led to this

so caring

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oh dear me, sigh,... i would be interested in where these facts were from, the media love causing a stir

court reports - here is a media article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=428466&in_page_id=1770

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**thedreadpersephone** · Advisor Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 913 Location: Dundee

suesx wrote:

If a post person was sacked, then it was for abandoning the mail, not for being a MTF, the law has to be followed, sadly at times it is silly and has no regard for the real victims, but sadly rules are every where, and the royal mail may have been trying to do something for this member of staff, but before anything could be sorted out, it became to late

Obviously I don't know much about this individual case, but I think you're a bit naive if you believe no one has ever been sacked for being trans... Also it's a bit harsh to accuse this poor person of abandoning mail when she was clearly receiving an unbearable amount of daily harassment. Rolling Eyes

Don't think much of the defending lawyer either: "Mr Pearson's wife is not taking the current issues in relation to his sexuality too well," he said.

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Stella Maru · Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 2248 Location: Brighton

A very common trans sacking scenario in the UK runs something like this:

Person comes out at work.
They are subjected to constant low-level harassment, ridicule, put downs.
They complain to management.
Management "investigate" and claim to have found no problem.
As a result of the complaint, the harassment is intensified.

The trans employee begins to suffer from severe stress, or actual mental breakdown, or sometimes starts drinking or taking drugs to escape from the stress, or starts taking days off because they can not cope with the daily unpleasantness.

Now stress-related poor performance gives management the excuse it needs to sack the employee on apparently legitimate grounds.

It seems to me that the sacking of the postal worker was an event of this kind.

**ice maiden** · Advisor Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2691

Person comes out at work
they are subjected to abuse
they wear a concealed audio wire
they present this to management

management panic Wink

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**Reenie** · Reporter Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 3577 Location: Glasgow

Person comes out at work
they are subjected to abuse
they wear a concealed audio wire
they present this to Herbie

Herbie sends the boys 'round! Very Happy

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