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MTF+HRT+BDSM=?

 
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GenderQuest



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: MTF+HRT+BDSM=? Reply with quote

I have a question that I've had a hard time finding any info on just trawling around the web. In brief the question is: What effect does MtF HRT have on an interest in some BDSM activities?

I am aware that a reduction in testosterone equates to a loss of male sex drive. I am also aware that an interest in BDSM is more common in males than females. I am also aware that anti-androgens are used to treat people with extreme 'sexual deviances'.

In my opinion testosterone does not >create< these interests, that is part of who a person is. I do think that testosterone >amplifies< them, possibly even from no T = unaware of interest --> norm male T = unable to ignore interest.

I am currently trying to work thorough all the issues around a MtF transition to be sure in my own mind before attempting the journey. I must look at all the issues and I must look at them honestly. This is one of the issues, a loss of these interests wouldn't stop me from transitioning but I still want to know how I would probably turn out.

Not sure this part is needed, but anyway this is me:

-I like the mental dominance/submission part of BDSM
-I like the bondage part of BDSM
-I am not interested in the physical pain part, and have never tried it. If a partner wanted to I would be willing to try it (that goes for almost everything btw, with some exceptions).
-I prefer the submissive role but don't mind taking turns Smile

My question is what might happen to all this after MtF HRT? I'm guessing the only way to know for sure is to do it and that it would be different for each person. Nevertheless I'd really, really like to hear from anyone who has direct experience of this. Conjecture is very welcome also but please label it as such (thx Smile )

Some possible outcomes I can envisage:

- No effect, all stays the same (very unlikely IMO)
- Much reduced interest, with the right atmosphere would still be sexually rewarding
- Interest gone, don't mind participating but get nothing much out of it
- Complete elimination, won't even do it to please someone else

I know all anyone can do is speculate or if they have experience say how it affected them or someone they know, but all info is gratefully sought after.

Thanks in advance,
GQ

PS I did find some limited info from accounts of a couple of MtF's that said as males they found cross dressing erotic and after becoming female they no longer had the strong erotic interest but felt good about it. The analogy was with a long term relationship where the powerful spark has gone from the sex life but it still feels good and there is love. This is closest thing I could find to information relavent to the above question. I did find lots of porn tho. If there is any info on my above question it's buried under ALOT of porn. Some things are very hard to google for.......
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience, after.... 1 3/4 years of HRT is that my interest in it is precisely the same as beforehand. And my interest in it is roughly the same as yours. Even when my sex drive died (EDIT: it didn't die, but diminished, and can return in the right situation very quickly), that side of me didn't really change at all. I'd be happy to provide more depth if you have more questions, (unsure as to forum policies regarding this but you can ask away over PM)but as far as interest and so on goes? no change.
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GenderQuest



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great, thanks so much for your response Smile. It's part of me I would rather not lose but I would be prepared to make the sacrifice, good to know I might not have to Smile.

Thanks also for your offer of answering questions in more depth via PM. I will hopefully take you up on that offer when I have thought out some sensible questions which may take me a little while Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a few Trans people MTF and FTM who are in to BDSM both sub and dom if thats any help? From what I know I dont think hormones changed their desires much in that respect
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know quite a lot of transpeople who are into BDSM, both MTF and FTM. None of the transwomen that I know have ever mentioned anything about a reduction in interest, and most of the transguys have reported either an increase or it remaining the same. What does come across generally is that as people are more in tune with their bodies they enjoy BDSM (and other sexual acts) more, and so are more likely to take part in these activities.

I'll ask around next time I see some of my friends, and try and find out a bit more about their experiences.

Incidentally, I'm not convinced that this:
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I am also aware that an interest in BDSM is more common in males than females.

is actually true - do you have anything to back it up? I think the reasons are much more complex than that, around women's sexuality and the freedom that women have (or more to the point, have not had, historically) to express their sexuality. I'm also not entirely convinced that this:
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possibly even from no T = unaware of interest --> norm male T = unable to ignore interest.

is true either, or else you'd expect a very high proportion of transguys to be into BDSM, and from my experience this isn't the case - though obviously, that's purely anecdotal and not based on any research.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in some cases the increased vulnerability brought about by transition can change the way you feel maybe you will become a sub as a result and feel vulnerable

i know that this is how Grayson Perry views his dressing when he is she as Claire

but HRT will reduce your 'make' libido so this is something you will have to carefully consider

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

April wrote:
I know a few Trans people MTF and FTM who are in to BDSM both sub and dom if thats any help?


Flameboy wrote:
I'll ask around next time I see some of my friends, and try and find out a bit more about their experiences.


Great thanks! Any info from people that are post-op and actually know would be invaluable to me Smile The small amount of relevant info I did manage to find with google was mostly conjecture.

Flameboy wrote:
Incidentally, I'm not convinced that this:
GenderQuest wrote:

I am also aware that an interest in BDSM is more common in males than females.


is actually true - do you have anything to back it up?


Oops you got me there, you're right AFAIK. I was thinking about submissive males Vs dominant females (where there are substantially more males than females) rather than the scene as a whole, just a bit of confusion on my part!

Flameboy wrote:

I'm also not entirely convinced that this:

GenderQuest wrote:
possibly even from no T = unaware of interest --> norm male T = unable to ignore interest.


is true either, or else you'd expect a very high proportion of transguys to be into BDSM, and from my experience this isn't the case - though obviously, that's purely anecdotal and not based on any research.


Unless I'm mistaken testosterone is responsible for the sex drive in males AND females. Again I could be wrong, but I thought that T is produced in large quantites by the testicles but also produced in small amounts by some gland (that I forgot the name of) that is present in males and females. I have heard that when FtM guys take T they find they are aroused more/more often and that in reverse MtF girls lose alot of their sex drive.

I didn't mean I think that testosterone is responsible for or causes BDSM interests. I think that BDSM is an 'in built' part of a person and they are born like that. I think that T just amplifies the BDSM interest that was already present. The extreme case I mentioned was just an example of going from one extreme to the other.

Looks like I'm wrong anyway Embarassed

ice maiden wrote:
in some cases the increased vulnerability brought about by transition can change the way you feel maybe you will become a sub as a result and feel vulnerable


If I was anymore submissive I'd need to ask permission to breath Wink

ice maiden wrote:
but HRT will reduce your 'make' libido so this is something you will have to carefully consider


Yes that's the bit I was concerned about :/
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my libido changed on HRT, but it didn't exactly 'reduce'. let's say it wasn't as pressing, but occasionally it flared up and got me into trouble. also, all the while, the right stimulus could rev it up. it was just working out what that stimulus was.

i know of quite a few transwomen, pre and post-op, into the BDSM scene.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

la_glitch wrote:
my libido changed on HRT, but it didn't exactly 'reduce'. let's say it wasn't as pressing, but occasionally it flared up and got me into trouble. also, all the while, the right stimulus could rev it up. it was just working out what that stimulus was.

i know of quite a few transwomen, pre and post-op, into the BDSM scene.


Yes, I would say the same for me so far.

Interestingly, I used to be aroused by self-bondage, etc. pre-transition, yet this entirely disappeared when I transitioned, (although I can still remember the thought processes of back then) even before the hormones, perhaps since I no longer felt "trapped".

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