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**Flameboy** · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject:

Nicholas, thanks for that really useful information. More stuff to bear in mind when I see the endo at CX in February!

Dave

nicholas · Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 125

thefishkeeper wrote:

I under stand the need for you all to be the man you/we are. BUT....they (the exberts) DO know what they are on about, they have seen many more FTM's (that are on this board) out in the big wide world. They also have to make dam sure that your not going through a 'phase' believing that you may have seen some one go through it all and it's cool.

That is why there are all these gaps, low doeses and caution.

You will become that man, you know you are, but take your time, your all young and have your whole lives ahead to enjoy growing and being that man. Don't kill him off to early.

The other thing I believe we all forget. And that is this......

We have been boys/men inside our mind's and no matter how hard we fought we were brought up as girls/women, that is imprinted in us.

So guys, we bind to hide our chests. We get out hair cut to look like boys/men. We wear mens/boys clothing. But we do not become till we take the T.

As soon as you decide that you want to be THAT boy/man, in side your head, that's when you need to be the boy/man. Watch what they do, say,feel and act, once you have that imprinted T is the bonus.

being on a reasonable dose isn't about impatience, or not believing you're not a real man!!11 or whatever. it's not unreasonable to expect an effective amount of hormones from day 1 - otherwise so many practitioners other than charing cross wouldn't be prescribing said dosage, and they have also seen 1000s of FTM men, and know what they are talking about. i am still young, yes, but there's really no good reason as to why i can't have an effective prescription now as opposed to in 3 years time. i was passing 100% way before i started testosterone and it made no difference to the fact that i felt i deserved a dosage that would actually do something. why draw out puberty if you don't have to?

i don't need to be seen by a doctor who is, when prescribing t, still under the impression i may be on hormones because i think it is 'cool' and are still under the impression i might change my mind. i don't think it is unreasonable to expect to be seen by a doctor who respects the fact that i have a brain, can take responsibility for my own actions, and am able to make an adult decision. it's not the endocrinologist's decision to make - once you've been approved by a psych/evidently been living as male long enough already, had the approval for hormones, they shouldn't still be being cautious about your desire to be on them. by all means if you want a low dose out of caution then you should be allowed it, but it shouldn't be forced upon you.

i also somewhat resent the implication in your post that 'we' don't know how to behave amongst men, or whatever, and all this talk about learning to be one. i see this idea continually on this board and it really weirds me out. i don't honestly get how you can know you're a man if you feel you have to learn to be one first. i've never had a problem integrating with men as a guy, i've been doing it my entire life whether i was seen as one or not. please speak for yourself instead of projecting your views on/experience of transition on to everyone else.

GenderQuest · Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 325

nicholas wrote:

i also somewhat resent the implication in your post that 'we' don't know how to behave amongst men, or whatever, and all this talk about learning to be one. i see this idea continually on this board and it really weirds me out. i don't honestly get how you can know you're a man if you feel you have to learn to be one first. i've never had a problem integrating with men as a guy, i've been doing it my entire life whether i was seen as one or not. please speak for yourself instead of projecting your views on/experience of transition on to everyone else.

Some of my genetic male, straight, friends are not at all stereotypically male, but no-one would question they are 100% male. I think it is natural that some transgender people will feel insecure at some point and try to over-compensate, because some might feel the need to justify their gender. The fact that you were passing before any treatment (which is really cool btw) is a case in point, you are less likely to feel insecure and the need to prove anything, whereas others may aim for stereotypes a bit.

Another factor is that some people transition later than others, for a variety of reasons. Many of these people have tried really hard to fit in with their genetic gender peers and it takes effort to change behavior, be it learnt or natural.

Furthermore not all blokes are alike, take a middle class English lad and dump him in an American gang culture and see how well he assimilates! If he was to he would certainly have to 'learn' how to behave.

Edit: Sorry for going OT. I don't get why you guys want T anyway. Horrible bl*&^y stuff. Just pulling yer leg Wink

snowdoggy · Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 244 Location: East Yorkshire

I am receiving my Testosterone treatment in Leeds and was put on Sustanon every 4 weeks but only for the first few months, this was then dropped to every three weeks as blood tests said levels were too low. What was interesting after my first blood test results was that my testosterone levels were regarded as correct but my oestrogen levels were even higher than before I started on T. My doctor told me that if my oestrogen levels were still high after the following test she would drop my injections to every two weeks.

During the gap before the next results were due this doctor left and was replaced by a consultant who told me that dropping the intervals between injections can be counter-productive because if your body has too much excess testosterone it will convert it to oestrogen. This could explain the breast growth and sometimes shrinking of the penis in biological male body builders who inject with anabolic steroids such as Sustanon. This new consultant says it is better to use a blocker to stop your pituitary gland working so your body stops producing oestrogen naturally so you will benefit from the testosterone at the correct dose for your metablic rate and build/size without having the excess testosterone converting back to oestrogen. I have not had this injection which stops the pituitary gland working yet but may have to have it in the future if my oestrogen levels do not drop.

I have been on Sustanon for some of the time since I started on T but am now on Nebido (been on T for about 1 year in total now) and am now growing a reasonable amount of facial hair and stomach hair. It is a slow progress but I am getting there. The waiting can be frustrating but it is worth the wait in the end.

**Juz** · Advisor Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 1016

Nicholas wrote:

i also somewhat resent the implication in your post that 'we' don't know how to behave amongst men, or whatever, and all this talk about learning to be one. i see this idea continually on this board and it really weirds me out.

Did it occur to you that if different posters regularly raise this problem on the boards, it means it does exist?

You never had it, hooray for you and people like you.
There are plenty of other people, though, who are not in your situation.

An example:
I really have no idea what headache is, can't remember last time I had it. Should I storm over to some Headache topic and announce that the problem doesn't exist?

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**thefishkeeper** · Advisor Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 1547 Location: Reading

Guy's

I have deleated a post, it seems that some of you thought I was saying that you were not men, with or with out T.

That was never my intention and if I have up set any of you I puplicly aplogise to all those I may have hurt.

The fish keeper.

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