steady on

you work for Gervais or summit?

So you can abuse people, as long as they're not trans?

NO YOU SHOULDNT i never said you should you are putting words into my mouth

He protects himself by saying he does gigs for 'charity' cancer charities and so on - this in some way allows him free reign to make these jokes - i for one was very disappointed in FAME it was thin and lacked the polish of his past work

Eddie Izzard said the same thing - when he was asked about stand up he said - once you get famous you find it very difficult to go incognito and listen in on say the tube or the bus and gather comedy material - he has moved on to being a great actor - maybe its time Gervais did the same

are you telling me i am not allowed to be offended

i was at that stereotypical comment - sorry
what possible purpose does it serve it infantile

RG is getting lazy and is showing he is a little tired and struggling for some new stuff - his Podcast sidekick Karl when mentioned got the biggest cheer of the night - says it all really

the DVD is called fame but he didnt mock the famous much - wonder why afraid of being sued i suspect - he went off topic more times than a forum thread scratching about in old material worthy of Bernard Manning - in fact BM was less offensive - and some other peoples material at that

I spotted some Billy Connolly stuff in the act from his 2005 Gig in New York

all i am saying it is easy to mock trans people - Little Britain take away the crossdressing - its crap - their male characters apart from Dayfedd (the only Gay) are forgettable

Dick Emery and Benny Hill were doing the same thing - its all been done before

'Trannies cut their cocks off' BIG LAUGH - yeah then they have big hands and are HAIRY BIG LAUGH - GROAN - thats crap - kids stuff

Sophisticated it is not and playground it is

Fame was disappointing and the reviews tend to agree with me

when i said its all about fear i meant he was afraid to take on islam he was afraid to mock the famous mates he now probably has - he played it safe using trans for gags

and because he didnt take those risks he has lost his edge

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No, I don't work for him and I resent the implication that I'm biased because I don't agree with you. Attack my credibility (and not my arguments...) some more, why don't you? I have the same hair colour as him, perhaps we're related?

And no, you never said that, but you aren't getting on your high-horse about him insulting disabled people. Perhaps he makes the claim that he attends dinners for cancer parents as an oh-so-subtle hint that, perhaps, the absurdities he's spouting, maybe, aren't his actual beliefs?

And also no, I'm not telling you you can't be offended, but if you get offended at absolutely everything, it's really just going to give you high blood pressure.

The reviews mean absolutely squat to this debate, lukewarm or not.

Also, out of idle curiosity, can you name me a funny comedian who's never made a joke out of any group whatsoever? Even a funny television show, or comedy of any form, that doesn't mock anybody, or any group?

Yes, little britain is crap, because it's the same jokes told every episode for about 3 series. But I don't get offended at the TV gags just like I don't get offended at the repetitive chav-girl gags or the woman who's determined to tell everyone how she met that woman from are you being served. Not because they're offensive, because they're not bloody funny.

Personally, I'm done with this conversation. Of course you may respond, and counter what I've said, but I won't be making a return beyond this post. You haven't once answered my claim that it's a satire mocking those who would act in a similar way despite how glaringly obvious his act is, and instead have given a whole lot of arguments that are totally irrelevant at best.

I'm obviously not going to convince you that it might be a satire because such subtleties clearly don't exist, and you're not going to convince me that someones stage persona is actually real, because that's just absurd. So, are we done?

(and before you think I'm getting offended, I'm really not. This is just not going to get anywhere, so I don't see any point continuing.)

I resent the implication that I'm biased because I don't agree with you.

getting on your high-horse

but if you get offended at absolutely everything

reviews mean absolutely squat

----the above you suggest i have said - i have not said nor implied any of that what i have said was generalising ----


i have watched comedy for a long time i am not young

and we are all entitled to our opinions

thats all there is to it really

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God help the Danes if they ever start doodling again
Dangerous thing is free speach. Especially surrounding humour

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Ok so it's not always nice to have a joke done about us, however it's a bit hypocritical to say that what he is doing is wrong.

All sorts of minorities get the **** taken out of them by stand-up comedians, yet we laugh at those jokes.

At the end of the day, one of the greatest abilities we can have, is the ability to take the joke and laugh at ourselves.

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All sorts of minorities get the **** taken out of them by stand-up comedians, yet we laugh at those jokes.


You might -

it depends on the context - Lenny Henry doing Black gags and Omid Djalili doing Middle Eastern Gags

i think is funny yeah but notice the context

Matt Lucus doing Gay Gags - he is gay - away you go fine

but sometimes people try and crossover and attempt to entertain when they are out of their depth

the black and white minstrels are a perfect example of it being 'of its time' I can forgive Dick Emery it was the social climate - but to attempt that today when there are so many trans that could do with the work is all wrong

where are the trans newsreaders, weather girls, captains of industry - trans are where the black community were in 1970

RG just perpetuates this in those gags he is scared to touch racial minorities and infact soon he could possibly be arrested for those comments if they are deemed offensive - as transphobia homophobia and verbal abuse against disabled will be seen as a hate crime in new proposed laws (Queens Speech)

so his disability jokes may have to go elsewhere too

maybe he has got in in the nick of time with this

last year Radio One DJ Chris Moyles created a Character called Tranny Rachel

The BBC were forced to apologise - and even create transpositive programming to balance it - the Metropolitan Police investigated as did Ofcom

A cheeky Smile from Ricky is simply not enough these days

abuser play the percentages - well there are more people that think trans are freaks than there are trans that will pay my wages - thats how the media continue to play it

Listen to Eddie Izzard Stand up when he describes being TV - its funny and its also safe and comforting because he is REAL

those awful Bounty Kitchen Roll Ads should be next for the Axe - they are the Pittz - andif you are going to buy Proctor and Gamble products - buy something else from another firm - Johnson and Johnson are good HR employers (well they were) not checked lately

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