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sgian Advisor


Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 198 Location: london
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: |
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the primary use for spironolactone is as an antihypertensive as it gets rid of excess fluid from the body by acting as a diuretic(it makes you pee loads).it is also useful for cardiac conditions for the same reasons.it is mainly used in genetic females rather than genetic males because of it's feminising effects.
i was put on this drug because i have raised blood pressure and it was felt this would be better than cyproterone acetate for contolling my b.p.
i have read the information for this drug for side effects and there is no mention of baldness/hair loss.
i have been a registered nurse for 14 years and although i'm not an expert i do have a reasonable knowledge of what i'm talking about.
it's important to get your bloods checked with this drug as it can effect electrolyte levels in the blood.e.g potassium,sodium.
as for everything else if people are worried about the effects of there medication then they should speak to their g.p. or specialist.
rachel.
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jackie.j
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 18 Location: Northampton
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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I get muscle pain from last week and brest pain is well...not really nice:/ but well...need to survive this:) I read about it but Im quiet worry about my brests coz...Its hard to tell is it actually brest pain or chest pain with is not good. _________________ Life is now or never... www.myspace.com/blackout_86 have look on my new pic from Switzerland 
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sgian Advisor


Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 198 Location: london
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: |
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you should really go to your doctors if you are having any kind of pain.it may just be pain from breast formation but you should get the g.p. to check it out.
rachel
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Reenie Reporter


Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 3724 Location: Glasgow
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Yup. Down to the doctor's with you. We're not qualified to give a diagnosis. _________________ The Daily Turnout - King of the Throne Room
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la_glitch

Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 434
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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poke yourself in the nipple. if that hurts it's breast pain. if the pain is coming from further inside your chest then, well....... go to your doctor.
you may be losing weight because you're losing water. i lost a stone in a month when i first went on spiro, and i was only taking 25mg to start with.
if you're not under a doctors supervision then starting on 200mg is going to be quite a shock to your body as well. you should have started on less.
cramps can be related to loss of water. are you keeping your fluids up? avoiding potassium salts?
hair falling out? i've heard of some people reacting badly to spiro, and i think hair loss is one possible side effect. go to your doctor.
if you're unsure then STOP. don't just 'ride it out'. if you stop for a bit then you can always restart if you feel you have to later on. transition is hard enough, without you endangering your health anymore than you have to. what's the point in getting to the other side if you're a wreck?
as for efficiency, your milage may vary. i initially transitioned on 50mg spiro daily, and no estrogen, over about fifteen months. if gave me the edge i needed to go for it. still, i know other people who are on the dose you're on and it did nothing for them. you just can't tell. just keep an eye on your health. go to your doctor.
b&p: androcur and spiro are two totally different drugs. androcur is a more powerful anti-A, which is why you need less mg. it's like the difference between ethynil estradiol and estradiol valerate. one you take in micrograms, one you take in milligrams, respectively. somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but i think 50mg androcur is ~roughly~ comparable to 200mg spiro. _________________ "Throw yourself in the road darlings! You haven't got a chance!" - Withnail
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BlackandPurple Tzoner

Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 870 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | b&p: androcur and spiro are two totally different drugs. androcur is a more powerful anti-A, which is why you need less mg. it's like the difference between ethynil estradiol and estradiol valerate. one you take in micrograms, one you take in milligrams, respectively. somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but i think 50mg androcur is ~roughly~ comparable to 200mg spiro.
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I know that androcur and spiro are both different, which I've been explaining since the begining of this thread, and I feel that Androcur has a bigger effect, but since I've started in my early twenties on hormones spiro wasn't recommended for me, I dout that 50mg of androcur is the same as 200mg of spiro since, some patience I know are taking 100mg of Androcur and are doing fine.
But if spiro is mainly a blood pressure medication why even be perscribed on it if it dosn't work like the androcur?
Sorry it sounds abit odd to me what others here are talking about with the spiro effects.
And even if it's a anti-androgen I've been reading the answer to the effects of this drug as "Blood pressure medication", I never saw anyone post saying that it dose a good job on making the hormones work or helps the body to loose hair around the chest or arms or whatever, all I read was that it was cardiac and blood pressure that was mainly used with the spiro so am I wrong?
I may not be a doctor but I'm not a stupid person to see what's going on with different medicines.
Later. _________________ Misery is my company, why do I stand out from the rest of the people around me.
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Stephanie1963
Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 33
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Spiro and baldness?? |
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| jackie.j wrote: | Hmmm...
Im taking 200mg spiro a day in 2 pills (each 100mg) can it cause baldness?
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Hi Jackie,
Spiro can assist body hair reduction, but not cease loss of head hair, your drug for that is Finasteride
A write up here explains.
http://www.pharmacy2u.co.uk/propecia_info.asp
Stephanie
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Ash67
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 28
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| BlackandPurple wrote: | | But if spiro is mainly a blood pressure medication why even be perscribed on it if it dosn't work like the androcur? |
Because Androcur can have some very nasty and well documented side effects. It certainly did with me. Headaches & depression mainly.
I now take Spiro and I have no side effects at all. It may not be as strong as Androcur but it does work. Either that or my sex drive just left of its own free will!
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Squigglefish
Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 218
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BlackandPurple Tzoner

Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 870 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I can understand if people choose to take spiro, and that's fine by me if people cannot cope with the androcur, not that I'm saying it's bad for you or anything but like I said I've started out at about 23 which my old endo perscribed me the androcur I don't see any side effect except of the oestregean effect which dose the depression on me.
And that of course people who take the androcur at a older age might feel the side effects more but I really dout it, my housemate who is 50 didn't get the effects she wanted from Aldactone or Spiro (Both are the same medication) and had very little breast growth and loss of hair on the body which wasn't enough for her to get were she wanted, she changed to androcur and of course it made her face and body change much more to what she wanted.
She's taking 100mg of androcur and I never seen her with depression from it at all.
but it's a choice for the person who takes what type of anti-androgen that they use. _________________ Misery is my company, why do I stand out from the rest of the people around me.
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BlackandPurple Tzoner

Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 870 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Also because spiro has other compounds with it, it reduces the effect more than the Androcur can provide, too much spiro can cause blood pressure levels to go too far down below the normal level which is not good.
And the Androcur dose lower the sex drive alot but if people are really desperate to transtion that's a sacrifice that has to happen until the SRS is done then the blockers are no longer needed and the sex drive will recover again. _________________ Misery is my company, why do I stand out from the rest of the people around me.
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jackie.j
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 18 Location: Northampton
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Just little update... I had done all my check's up  Everything is fine. Im healthy and doing well:) Pain was cause by breast formation:) Hair loss... to much stress. Im 48 days now on spiro (200mg p/d and progynova 4mg p/d) and Im really shock how its wrk on me lol. _________________ Life is now or never... www.myspace.com/blackout_86 have look on my new pic from Switzerland 
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BlackandPurple Tzoner

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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No problem I'm glad it's all doing well for you.  _________________ Misery is my company, why do I stand out from the rest of the people around me.
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TEZSA
Joined: 03 Aug 2008 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: A theory |
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Just a theory but maybe it's to do with female baldness, not male..?
When a womans hormonal levels change through pregnancy or mid-life as I understand it, she can lose or experience thinning hair.
Perhaps, if a male were to change his hormonal levels by using spiro.. then suddenly 'stop' taking spiro..it would cause a similar effect?
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BlackandPurple Tzoner

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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | When a womans hormonal levels change through pregnancy or mid-life as I understand it, she can lose or experience thinning hair.
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I know of a condition that some women get that they go completly bald, but it's a possiblity that hormonal changes can thin down some womens hair as well or loose hair.
That's a pretty interesting theory. _________________ Misery is my company, why do I stand out from the rest of the people around me.
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