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Can a bio-female take T just until the point they become pretty androgynous, and then stop taking it? Or does that have bad effects..? I know taking testosteron in the beginning is basically going through male puberty, but if you stopped in the middle would your voice keep cracking for the rest of your life?

Would any psychiatrist even give you a prescription for it if you did not identify as completely male?

I don't think it'd crack for the rest of your life as the cracking is just adjusting to the changes that have taken place

As for taking it just until getting androgynous...might not be so practical. Voice can start to change pretty quickly and it might be pretty hard to pinpoint when to quit before it's sounding very male. (and I'm not sure what all you are trying to achieve but if you're going for sounding rather gender neutral being on T for a few months might even make too much change in that area for you)

Lookswise any fat distrubution etc. that happens will probably just all reverse when your body is full of estrogen again.

On the other hand any hair you get on your body or face isn't going to go away from quitting the T.

Does it have bad effects? Well starting hormones and stopping hormones does put a bit of stress on the body but I don't think doing it once would do much or any significant damage.

Basically depending on what specifically you're going for it may not be practical. You don't get to decide what changes happen, when they happen, or to what extent they happen. Nor can you predict that really accurately!

Would you get described it not identifying as completely male? I'd not think so but I don't know, genderqueer/androgynous people have gotten hormones before. But for all I know maybe they're all lying to their psych/endo/whatever and saying they do identify fully as the other sex.

There have been many a person who have take T, then stopped.

You will lose the body hair but not any thing that you have lost on your head, so if you have a widows peak, this will stay as is. Your Oestrigeon will reclame your body and so that means the peirods will come back.

If you do know, you should not have lasting damage, due to being young and your hormones can repair any damage. But you can not leaver it too late or you may get osteroues, (thining of the bones).

As for the voice, it will stay low if it's cracked, that will never change and yes you will look very androgynous.

There are two people who have done just what your thinking and they can get called either man or woman, they do not mind but they do dress as male.

Leslie F (Stone Butch Blues), he took T and now has come off but he stays as is, he looks very male, loss of head hair and now body but he is happy. It is not a good idea to play with your bodies hormoanes, as the damage will come later in life as I have said.

Think about it more and see exactkly what you do want in life, befor doing things.

Skyler wrote:Would you get described it not identifying as completely male? I'd not think so but I don't know, genderqueer/androgynous people have gotten hormones before. But for all I know maybe they're all lying to their psych/endo/whatever and saying they do identify fully as the other sex.

Bizarrely, this mirrors my query in the 'any questions' section I posted last night. From what little I understand it does'nt seem likely that androgynous people will get prescribed hormones. Not in the UK anyway. If anyone has, I'd really like to hear from them. The only thing I could'nt do is lie about me.

Much love

Rae xx

Well, I am sure it is physically possible, otherwise all the people that took hormones and then detransitioned would have died :p But of course it's probably difficult to discuss these matters with a doctor :S

This is exactly how I feel too. I'm female bodied, and have no real desire to transition completely and live my life as a man, but some of the effects of T are really quite appealing. I know it's unlikely that I'd ever get prescribed hormones, and I'm pretty sure the majority of gender specialists would be able to tell that I don't fully identify as male.

I've done a fair bit of research on the matter, seeing what changes are permanent and which aren't, and what thefishkeeper said is spot on. The voice stays deeper, and any hair growth won't disappear. Also the clitoris will stay as large as it has become. The biggest negative seems to be hair loss...if you've lost it it's not going to grow back.

I managed to pass pretty well as a guy at the moment though, especially recently when I've been feeling more like the masculine me than the feminine me. It seems that if you feel something, it comes across without you even realizing! I'm just going to have to work on lowering my voice without the aid of T...!

Having had lessons i changing my voice...I will suggest..
To lower your voice you need to gently practice moving your adams apple lower in your throat.
If you do this too much in one then you will get very sore.
If you just practise gently over mabe 18 months then the muscles will streach one way and tighten the other holding it in a lower position...
mine is going up after 6 months I dont have to work hard at it...
Males also tend to talk from their chest which gives a deeper resonanse..

hope this helps.
Hugz T

UngenannterMensch wrote:Can a bio-female take T just until the point they become pretty androgynous, and then stop taking it? Or does that have bad effects..? I know taking testosteron in the beginning is basically going through male puberty, but if you stopped in the middle would your voice keep cracking for the rest of your life?

Would any psychiatrist even give you a prescription for it if you did not identify as completely male?

I think Tamsin's answer was really good - I myself have a high voice but usaully I notice it's only when I'm talking quietly. If I speak loudly, it really doesn't sound that high, so Tamsin has a real point there. By the way, I once heard Tom Cruise had voice lessons to deepen his voice cos his voice was too high at the start of his career. It worked for him I guess.

Check out a guy called MeikoEliasXavier on Youtube - he did a vid about effects of tesotsterone and stopping it etc. He does great vids if you're looking for info like that.

eclipse wrote:Also the clitoris will stay as large as it has become.

I disagree. If I'm a week late for a biweekly shot I get slight shrinkage. And when I was about 6 months on T I went 2 or 3 weeks between when I should have had a shot and when I did have one (because I was obtaining it illegally at the time and lost my source and was having a hard time finding a new one) and lost a significant amount of my size. Granted I doubt it would/could ever get back to pre-T size.

Oh and looking at what the necroposting has brought up I guess I'll take back what I said 2 years ago about body hair, apparently you can lose that. So I see from this guy Appears that his facial hair stayed though.

I hope I won't get as much hair body as this guy..
is it hereditary?

Yes. Body hair is determined partly by genetics and partly by availability of testosterone.

so???? if I take more testorone then I get more body hair.. maybe even more that I might have got if I was born a normal dude..
but if I take a lot testorone then I get a lot of hair and if I taka a little then I get only a little??

I confuessed myself.. hope it make sence for other what I wrotte XD

Disclaimer: I am not an endo.

Taking more T (above and beyond standard dosages designed to mimic normal male levels) will not significantly increase body hair either faster or further than the standard dose. Combined with a high-protein diet and a body-building gym regime, it can result in increased muscle mass beyond what could be achieved without the high T dosage. However, normal (and even impressive compared to the average guy) muscle mass is perfectly achievable on a standard T dose.

Overdosing on T is known to cause irritability, aggression, mood swings, and a host of other not-fun side effects. In natal males, it is also known to cause the penis to shrink, as the body metabolises excess T into oestrogen or progesterone (not sure which). It is also known to increase cancer rates and can cause some breast growth.

testosterone
anabolic steroids

(nb. T is a specific kind of anabolic steroid, so the second link is also relevant)

Very important point: You don't get to pick and choose which effects you get from T. You get all of them, to the limit of your genetic background and physiology.

From what I've heard of taking a lower dose of T, you still get as much hair and everything as your genetics dictate, it just might take longer to get there. And taking more T isn't going to give you more body hair than your genetics say you can get.