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Sparkz Advisor

Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 179
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: what title would you like? |
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Being at a conference a couple of weeks back did my head in a bit. I wore a suit to it, and realised I felt in drag!!! hehehe
It got me thinking, what title would I like? Ie Mr???
Are there any good genderqueer/androgyne etc titles out there?
What titles do you all take on?
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kellineil Advisor


Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 93 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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generally if I have to use a title I'll use Mx if I can get away with it
If I can't (like with those annoying internet forms) I'll generally use Ms - but use it with my legal name, ie Ms Neil....
or alternatively I'd use Mr Kelli....
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Skyler Advisor


Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 930 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: |
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How would one say Mx? Or is it one that's just for writing?
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william Advisor

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 765 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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i'd imagine it's said ''mix'' but i could be completely off the mark there
As for genderqueer titles, it's quite a difficult one as they don't really officially exist and it'd be very hard to get people to address you by Mx cos to most it looks just like a typo.
Kellineil's method sounds like a good one, putting a name of a gender that doesn't ''match'' the gender of the title. _________________ forum moderator
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kellineil Advisor


Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 93 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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mix is certainly one pronunciation
in general i dont like titles anyway. they always seem riduculously formal to me. it always strikes me as weird when people address me as Mr or Ms ...
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thedreadpersephone Advisor


Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 857 Location: Dundee
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Although I don't consider myself anything other than female, I dislike the idea that I'm stuck with this title that gives away my gender and marital status every time I use it. So I try to use Mx wherever there's an option. I suppose it's also a subtle political statement and I do enjoy getting letters with it on. Most people seem to have a title on their bank card, but I somehow avoided this and there is something appealing about the asexual 'A. Surname'.
My parents aren't married but mail and phonecalls often turn up for my mum as Mrs Surname. I suppose growing up this gave me a negative feeling about titles - call centres often get the response, 'There is no Mrs Surname'.
When it comes to a face to face interaction I'd also rather not have a title used. What's wrong with just my name? _________________ Check out the Tzone team bios (including mine!) at: http://www.transgenderzone.com/bio.htm
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UngenannterMensch

Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 24
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: |
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That's why everyone should speak Japanese - no titles to worry about!  They have gender-neutral suffixes. There are a couple of suffixes that are more gender-specific, but they'd only be used (I think) with people who are close to you, and would (hopefully) therefore use the correct one. _________________ Ich bin wer ich bin. Ich kann mich nicht verändern, nur wie andere mich wahrnehmen.
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Juz Advisor


Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 926
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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I totally hate our current system of addressing.
No titles, per se; as for addressing on the streets, people use gender words from "boy" and "girl" to "man" and "woman". The last pair especially irritates me.
"Woman, how do I get to ... ?" "Man, what time is it?" - every time I hear it, it literally gives physical pain to my ears.
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thedreadpersephone Advisor


Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 857 Location: Dundee
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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That does sound pretty odd in English.
I don't know if this is just a Glasgow thing, but kids will say 'Hey Mrs!' if addressing an older unknown woman. I'd find it pretty depressing if someone said that to me because it has definite connotations of oldness as well as gender. You might get a 'Hey Mr' but it's less likely, maybe because kids would want to avoid addressing an older man at all. _________________ Check out the Tzone team bios (including mine!) at: http://www.transgenderzone.com/bio.htm
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Nathan Tzoner

Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 806 Location: Brighton
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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where i live women are addressed as all kinds of things, "darlin," "hun," "luv," etc etc but for men its just "mate." _________________ "...risk something, take back whats yours, say something that you know they might attack you for..."
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Juz Advisor


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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, sure we have other addressings, too: kid, daughter, sonny, brother, mate, bloke, grandma, grandson/daughter (all this between unknown to each other people, just an addressing), "girl" to any shop assitant (it's especially funny to hear it from little children).
I somehow can stand male addressing (and actually like "sonny" or "mate") but that "woman" / "man" thing is just awful. Not bein even biased here. It just sounds awful, especially taking into account how horrible the words themselves sound in my language.
Dread, it sounds about the same odd in Russian, too. It sounds exactly the same as if it sounded for you, if in English. Rude, idiotic and just plain low-class.
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Nix
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 12
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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It's not the whole reason why i'd like to do a PhD, but getting that non-gender specific title of Dr. would be pretty cool!
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Queen_Dennis

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 154 Location: Manchester
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: |
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I like Queen for fun
I like Miss because it's ironic for me for more than one reason.
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Herb

Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 320 Location: Greater London Co-Prosperity Sphere, UK
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: |
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When given the choice, I just opt for a simple "M". With my name, I suspect I can legitimately get away with it and not have odd questions asked too  It has an important advantage over Mx to me: it won't get me instantly labelled as a pinko queer rights campaigner by the hatemonger peanut gallery. That extra five minutes may be just enough time to give me a running start.
For pragmatic legal reasons, until I change my name, I'm sticking with "Mr" in situations where titles are required and I am not given the option to use something gender-neutral. _________________ The boobs are just a set of metaphors.
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Wraith

Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 47
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Just thought i'd explain about my name and title, It took me about 6mnths to choose it a few years back "WRAITH" there's a dictionary definition at the bottom of the post, i'm androgynous and needing to change my name decided to go to town. There is no title and no other names involved just Wraith. My passport, driv licence and all cards just show Wraith.
The deed took about an hour in a solicitors office it then took 12mnths and unbelievable hassle to change everything over, the hardest one being a credit card, the bank took mnths deciding if it was possible "but you don't have a gender Mr Wraith" "that's Wraith and no I don't have a gender" "but you have to have a gender" "oh do I, I beg to differ" and so it went on, next they told me that for fraudulent reasons it was not possible "we need to be able to distinguish you to protect you from fraud" "Bollox what if it was a businesss account" "our computer is unable to process it" "then reprogramme it" my bank loves me!
It is possible with enough persistance to be pretty much addressed as you like when there is a human element involved but when dealing strictly with computer sytems and the internet thats a whole new ballgame I commit fraud regularly to book train tickets etc, compulsory fields have to have an entry, a title and aditional name are always required, good chance to get creative.
Would I do it all over again for sure, will I ever change it not through choice!!
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